1 00:00:08,070 --> 00:00:05,590 well good day everybody and welcome to 2 00:00:09,830 --> 00:00:08,080 nasa's johnson space center for our 3 00:00:11,509 --> 00:00:09,840 pre-flight briefings for the final 4 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:11,519 flight of the space shuttle program 5 00:00:14,910 --> 00:00:13,200 atlantis's mission to the international 6 00:00:17,109 --> 00:00:14,920 space station 7 00:00:19,269 --> 00:00:17,119 sts-135 have a series of briefings for 8 00:00:21,750 --> 00:00:19,279 you today the usual set of briefings to 9 00:00:24,070 --> 00:00:21,760 lay out the entire mission for you ahead 10 00:00:26,310 --> 00:00:24,080 of the launch which is scheduled for 11 00:00:27,830 --> 00:00:26,320 next friday july 8th 12 00:00:29,750 --> 00:00:27,840 the first briefing is their usual 13 00:00:32,150 --> 00:00:29,760 program overview briefing with the two 14 00:00:34,549 --> 00:00:32,160 program managers john shannon is the 15 00:00:37,190 --> 00:00:34,559 program manager for the space shuttle 16 00:00:38,950 --> 00:00:37,200 and uh mike suffordini is the program 17 00:00:41,110 --> 00:00:38,960 manager for the international space 18 00:00:43,030 --> 00:00:41,120 station of course we'll hear from both 19 00:00:44,709 --> 00:00:43,040 gentlemen and then we'll take questions 20 00:00:47,029 --> 00:00:44,719 here and at other nasa centers that are 21 00:00:49,670 --> 00:00:47,039 online with that i'll turn it over to 22 00:00:51,990 --> 00:00:49,680 john okay hey thanks kyle 23 00:00:54,229 --> 00:00:52,000 um i tell you i'm just extremely happy 24 00:00:57,029 --> 00:00:54,239 to be able to uh to have the opportunity 25 00:01:01,910 --> 00:00:57,039 to talk to you about sts-135 this was a 26 00:01:03,510 --> 00:01:01,920 flight that we were not sure as late as 27 00:01:05,830 --> 00:01:03,520 really this january that we were going 28 00:01:07,350 --> 00:01:05,840 to have the opportunity to fly 29 00:01:09,670 --> 00:01:07,360 at that time we were discussing the 30 00:01:10,350 --> 00:01:09,680 potential of maybe moving 31 00:01:13,270 --> 00:01:10,360 the 32 00:01:17,109 --> 00:01:13,280 sts-335 launch on need 33 00:01:18,390 --> 00:01:17,119 stack over to to fly sts-135 34 00:01:19,990 --> 00:01:18,400 but if you think about where we were in 35 00:01:22,310 --> 00:01:20,000 january 36 00:01:25,109 --> 00:01:22,320 it looked pretty ambitious 37 00:01:28,710 --> 00:01:25,119 to be able to do that and fly 38 00:01:31,109 --> 00:01:28,720 in in late june as was being proposed 39 00:01:32,950 --> 00:01:31,119 in january you know we had a we had our 40 00:01:34,630 --> 00:01:32,960 significant technical issue with the 41 00:01:35,670 --> 00:01:34,640 external tank still in front of us that 42 00:01:38,069 --> 00:01:35,680 we were 43 00:01:40,550 --> 00:01:38,079 vigorously working through 44 00:01:42,630 --> 00:01:40,560 we had two flights that were ahead of us 45 00:01:44,950 --> 00:01:42,640 including the uh the really 46 00:01:48,550 --> 00:01:44,960 ambitious ams flight that we just uh 47 00:01:51,030 --> 00:01:48,560 just flew and landed last month 48 00:01:54,389 --> 00:01:51,040 and um it just it just 49 00:01:56,069 --> 00:01:54,399 looked like it was quite a hill to climb 50 00:01:57,510 --> 00:01:56,079 especially with the reduced workforce 51 00:01:58,950 --> 00:01:57,520 that we had 52 00:02:00,149 --> 00:01:58,960 knowing that 53 00:02:02,069 --> 00:02:00,159 we had been going through this 54 00:02:04,469 --> 00:02:02,079 progressive series of layoffs and that 55 00:02:05,910 --> 00:02:04,479 the the team that was was executing all 56 00:02:07,830 --> 00:02:05,920 of this activity 57 00:02:09,430 --> 00:02:07,840 over the first part of this year would 58 00:02:11,029 --> 00:02:09,440 the contractor side would either move to 59 00:02:12,150 --> 00:02:11,039 a different program or be laid off this 60 00:02:14,229 --> 00:02:12,160 summer 61 00:02:16,949 --> 00:02:14,239 in addition to that the funding was was 62 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:16,959 uncertain and we had to stay below 63 00:02:21,589 --> 00:02:19,440 pretty aggressive budget marks 64 00:02:23,190 --> 00:02:21,599 to allow us to extend the program out to 65 00:02:26,790 --> 00:02:23,200 uh to go fly it 66 00:02:27,750 --> 00:02:26,800 and here we are today and uh i just 67 00:02:29,430 --> 00:02:27,760 am so 68 00:02:30,949 --> 00:02:29,440 impressed by the team because we just 69 00:02:33,110 --> 00:02:30,959 came off of a great 70 00:02:34,949 --> 00:02:33,120 flight readiness review with really no 71 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:34,959 issues at all 72 00:02:38,710 --> 00:02:36,800 the uh the review consisted mostly of 73 00:02:40,790 --> 00:02:38,720 talking about past issues and and what 74 00:02:42,150 --> 00:02:40,800 we had done to uh to mitigate them for 75 00:02:44,550 --> 00:02:42,160 this flight 76 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:44,560 uh we did a tanking test which showed 77 00:02:47,750 --> 00:02:45,840 the rigor 78 00:02:49,750 --> 00:02:47,760 uh with which we approach our technical 79 00:02:51,430 --> 00:02:49,760 problems and it would could not have 80 00:02:53,990 --> 00:02:51,440 gone better 81 00:02:56,229 --> 00:02:54,000 the tank performed flawlessly we did our 82 00:02:57,589 --> 00:02:56,239 x-rays to make sure that that we were in 83 00:02:58,869 --> 00:02:57,599 good shape 84 00:03:02,070 --> 00:02:58,879 and 85 00:03:04,949 --> 00:03:02,080 ready to go 86 00:03:05,990 --> 00:03:04,959 roughly about 10 days after the um 87 00:03:07,990 --> 00:03:06,000 the uh 88 00:03:10,229 --> 00:03:08,000 initial launch date of june 28th was 89 00:03:11,350 --> 00:03:10,239 just kind of thrown out even like last 90 00:03:13,430 --> 00:03:11,360 summer 91 00:03:15,430 --> 00:03:13,440 and uh for this team to have come that 92 00:03:16,309 --> 00:03:15,440 uh that far 93 00:03:20,309 --> 00:03:16,319 uh 94 00:03:22,630 --> 00:03:20,319 we've been living under this year 95 00:03:24,149 --> 00:03:22,640 and uh and complete the two missions and 96 00:03:25,990 --> 00:03:24,159 then be ready to go 97 00:03:27,509 --> 00:03:26,000 uh for this one i think it's just a it's 98 00:03:30,070 --> 00:03:27,519 just a huge 99 00:03:31,830 --> 00:03:30,080 uh testament to how how professional 100 00:03:33,509 --> 00:03:31,840 they are and 101 00:03:34,789 --> 00:03:33,519 the payload you know for this flight i 102 00:03:35,589 --> 00:03:34,799 think it's really fitting that this is 103 00:03:41,910 --> 00:03:35,599 the 104 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:41,920 just completely squared away for its 105 00:03:47,030 --> 00:03:44,400 extended life and and we can phase over 106 00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:47,040 to the research and utilization parts of 107 00:03:49,350 --> 00:03:48,400 of its life 108 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:49,360 um so 109 00:03:53,990 --> 00:03:51,360 here we are poised to uh to finish 110 00:03:55,270 --> 00:03:54,000 strong and uh and preserve the legacy of 111 00:03:57,589 --> 00:03:55,280 everyone that has been a part of the 112 00:04:01,509 --> 00:03:57,599 shuttle team and i'm just just extremely 113 00:04:03,190 --> 00:04:01,519 proud to be part of that thanks 114 00:04:05,270 --> 00:04:03,200 well good morning everyone 115 00:04:06,630 --> 00:04:05,280 as john said we're extremely pleased to 116 00:04:09,589 --> 00:04:06,640 be sitting before you today talking 117 00:04:11,270 --> 00:04:09,599 about this flight sts-135 from an iss 118 00:04:14,229 --> 00:04:11,280 perspective 119 00:04:16,629 --> 00:04:14,239 it is carrying up critical supplies some 120 00:04:18,310 --> 00:04:16,639 folks look at this flight and perhaps 121 00:04:20,229 --> 00:04:18,320 don't see the excitement because we 122 00:04:21,749 --> 00:04:20,239 don't have a piece of major assembly 123 00:04:23,670 --> 00:04:21,759 hardware going up 124 00:04:25,430 --> 00:04:23,680 but we've got the mplm as full as we've 125 00:04:28,230 --> 00:04:25,440 ever had it from a cargo perspective 126 00:04:29,909 --> 00:04:28,240 we've got the mid deck full 127 00:04:32,790 --> 00:04:29,919 all of these supplies are going to be 128 00:04:34,870 --> 00:04:32,800 the lifeline to help us extend our 129 00:04:36,870 --> 00:04:34,880 period of time we can go on orbit before 130 00:04:39,749 --> 00:04:36,880 our commercial providers 131 00:04:41,270 --> 00:04:39,759 start flying regularly to iss 132 00:04:43,270 --> 00:04:41,280 and that was critical for us to give 133 00:04:45,030 --> 00:04:43,280 them the time they need to to make sure 134 00:04:46,629 --> 00:04:45,040 their vehicles are ready to go fly 135 00:04:48,310 --> 00:04:46,639 finish their development get their test 136 00:04:51,110 --> 00:04:48,320 flights behind them and then start 137 00:04:52,950 --> 00:04:51,120 servicing iss so from our perspective 138 00:04:55,430 --> 00:04:52,960 while it doesn't look very sexy it's a 139 00:04:57,670 --> 00:04:55,440 it's one of the most important flights 140 00:04:59,749 --> 00:04:57,680 that we've ever had come to iss from a 141 00:05:03,350 --> 00:04:59,759 shuttle perspective 142 00:05:04,790 --> 00:05:03,360 this on orbit concludes a period of 143 00:05:07,909 --> 00:05:04,800 extremely 144 00:05:10,550 --> 00:05:07,919 busy time for us on iss we have changed 145 00:05:12,629 --> 00:05:10,560 our focus to research 146 00:05:13,749 --> 00:05:12,639 about a year ago we started giving 147 00:05:16,230 --> 00:05:13,759 research 148 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:16,240 instead of the previous way we operated 149 00:05:18,790 --> 00:05:17,280 which was 150 00:05:20,230 --> 00:05:18,800 the systems guys did everything they had 151 00:05:22,469 --> 00:05:20,240 to do and then the time that was left 152 00:05:24,870 --> 00:05:22,479 was devoted to research we about a year 153 00:05:26,070 --> 00:05:24,880 ago shifted to the other way of doing 154 00:05:27,909 --> 00:05:26,080 business which is first you give 155 00:05:29,189 --> 00:05:27,919 research what they require and then you 156 00:05:31,830 --> 00:05:29,199 figure out how to do the system work 157 00:05:33,590 --> 00:05:31,840 around that uh but be be that as it may 158 00:05:34,390 --> 00:05:33,600 of course you always get challenged and 159 00:05:36,550 --> 00:05:34,400 uh 160 00:05:38,550 --> 00:05:36,560 this last year as things started kind of 161 00:05:41,590 --> 00:05:38,560 moving to the right we had the shuttles 162 00:05:43,590 --> 00:05:41,600 move we had atv moved um we got things 163 00:05:45,590 --> 00:05:43,600 kind of bunched up so that this last few 164 00:05:48,950 --> 00:05:45,600 months we've been extremely busy on on 165 00:05:51,270 --> 00:05:48,960 orbit we had sts-134 we had a an atv 166 00:05:53,110 --> 00:05:51,280 that had to boost the iss to the highest 167 00:05:55,029 --> 00:05:53,120 altitude she's ever been at 168 00:05:57,909 --> 00:05:55,039 we had to get the atv off and get the 169 00:05:59,830 --> 00:05:57,919 progress on and then we have ulf7 coming 170 00:06:02,469 --> 00:05:59,840 right in the heels of that 171 00:06:04,150 --> 00:06:02,479 so following ulf7 we will be able to 172 00:06:06,550 --> 00:06:04,160 transition and provide more time to 173 00:06:09,110 --> 00:06:06,560 research whereas is prior to that time 174 00:06:11,270 --> 00:06:09,120 we weren't able to devote the the total 175 00:06:12,390 --> 00:06:11,280 amount of time that we that we had been 176 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:12,400 asked 177 00:06:15,590 --> 00:06:13,680 and that was weighing heavily on our 178 00:06:17,110 --> 00:06:15,600 minds but in the end you got to do what 179 00:06:19,270 --> 00:06:17,120 you need to for the system so that it 180 00:06:21,749 --> 00:06:19,280 can ultimately support research in the 181 00:06:24,629 --> 00:06:21,759 long long long run 182 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:24,639 uh during this period prior to uh 183 00:06:31,110 --> 00:06:28,560 uh to ulf7 we expected that we would not 184 00:06:32,070 --> 00:06:31,120 have much time for research we showed uh 185 00:06:34,710 --> 00:06:32,080 weeks 186 00:06:36,629 --> 00:06:34,720 for anywhere from zero to ten hours and 187 00:06:38,710 --> 00:06:36,639 we challenged the team way back prior to 188 00:06:41,029 --> 00:06:38,720 sts-134 189 00:06:41,990 --> 00:06:41,039 um cumulatively compared to what we 190 00:06:43,510 --> 00:06:42,000 thought we were going to give them we 191 00:06:44,390 --> 00:06:43,520 were able to give them about 100 hours 192 00:06:46,629 --> 00:06:44,400 more 193 00:06:49,270 --> 00:06:46,639 than than what we'd expected so the team 194 00:06:51,830 --> 00:06:49,280 has really focused hard on on doing 195 00:06:54,070 --> 00:06:51,840 research while we've wrapped up these 196 00:06:55,510 --> 00:06:54,080 last few missions to iss 197 00:06:57,270 --> 00:06:55,520 this particular mission will be a 198 00:06:58,950 --> 00:06:57,280 challenge for us as well they all they 199 00:07:00,550 --> 00:06:58,960 all seem to be but 200 00:07:02,710 --> 00:07:00,560 this one has its own unique challenges 201 00:07:04,150 --> 00:07:02,720 of course we're flying a crew of four 202 00:07:05,110 --> 00:07:04,160 we're doing that in order to make sure 203 00:07:06,790 --> 00:07:05,120 we can 204 00:07:08,629 --> 00:07:06,800 we have a what we used to refer to as 205 00:07:11,189 --> 00:07:08,639 cscs i don't i don't know what we call 206 00:07:12,390 --> 00:07:11,199 this uh this case that we we're flying 207 00:07:14,150 --> 00:07:12,400 into today 208 00:07:16,230 --> 00:07:14,160 but we're we've built a case around 209 00:07:17,909 --> 00:07:16,240 protecting the crew if in the unlikely 210 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:17,919 event we have a shuttle problem before 211 00:07:20,950 --> 00:07:19,360 we used to plan to bring another shuttle 212 00:07:23,189 --> 00:07:20,960 up and we always had one ready to fly in 213 00:07:25,510 --> 00:07:23,199 time we made sure we had the logistics 214 00:07:27,430 --> 00:07:25,520 to support on this particular flight 215 00:07:29,990 --> 00:07:27,440 we're going we have a plan for returning 216 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:30,000 the crew we have to utilize the soyuz we 217 00:07:33,670 --> 00:07:32,080 do it over an extended period of time 218 00:07:35,110 --> 00:07:33,680 and we gradually bring the crew back 219 00:07:37,430 --> 00:07:35,120 down and we had to make sure we had all 220 00:07:39,189 --> 00:07:37,440 the supplies on orbit to support that 221 00:07:41,510 --> 00:07:39,199 and that that's been looked at closely 222 00:07:42,390 --> 00:07:41,520 and and we're in a good posture 223 00:07:46,070 --> 00:07:42,400 so 224 00:07:47,510 --> 00:07:46,080 course four crew then makes it difficult 225 00:07:49,749 --> 00:07:47,520 to get all the work done on orbit that 226 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:49,759 we normally do and this being atlantis 227 00:07:53,749 --> 00:07:51,680 we don't have the extension time on 228 00:07:56,230 --> 00:07:53,759 orbit as we do with the uh with the 229 00:07:59,029 --> 00:07:56,240 other spitz capable vehicles and so 230 00:08:00,309 --> 00:07:59,039 with the seven planned doc days um and 231 00:08:02,790 --> 00:08:00,319 four crew it's it's going to be 232 00:08:04,390 --> 00:08:02,800 extremely busy on orbit uh but the we've 233 00:08:05,270 --> 00:08:04,400 got one of the finest crews we've ever 234 00:08:07,270 --> 00:08:05,280 flown 235 00:08:08,469 --> 00:08:07,280 we have an incredibly experienced ops 236 00:08:10,550 --> 00:08:08,479 team 237 00:08:12,390 --> 00:08:10,560 the design guys and analysis folks on 238 00:08:15,909 --> 00:08:12,400 the ground 239 00:08:18,230 --> 00:08:15,919 have run a number of cases for various 240 00:08:18,950 --> 00:08:18,240 versions of how full the mplm would be 241 00:08:22,230 --> 00:08:18,960 and 242 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:22,240 but you have to know what the load cases 243 00:08:25,430 --> 00:08:23,680 are you need to make sure the cg is 244 00:08:26,950 --> 00:08:25,440 right when you put a mass that big in 245 00:08:28,869 --> 00:08:26,960 the payload bay of the orbiter you have 246 00:08:31,830 --> 00:08:28,879 to know that it can control itself on on 247 00:08:33,750 --> 00:08:31,840 entry and landing so that's a phenomenal 248 00:08:36,550 --> 00:08:33,760 amount of work that was done in addition 249 00:08:38,070 --> 00:08:36,560 that we have a number of critical orus 250 00:08:39,990 --> 00:08:38,080 many of which 251 00:08:42,070 --> 00:08:40,000 were being were repaired and were on 252 00:08:43,430 --> 00:08:42,080 longer schedules 253 00:08:45,110 --> 00:08:43,440 i had thought that maybe we could move 254 00:08:47,030 --> 00:08:45,120 this flight a little to the right but we 255 00:08:48,150 --> 00:08:47,040 weren't really ultimately able to do 256 00:08:50,150 --> 00:08:48,160 that 257 00:08:51,750 --> 00:08:50,160 so therefore we we sent the team off 258 00:08:53,829 --> 00:08:51,760 with actions to go 259 00:08:55,750 --> 00:08:53,839 get their hardware ready to go fly and 260 00:08:57,350 --> 00:08:55,760 they did a tremendous job each of the 261 00:08:58,230 --> 00:08:57,360 oru's that we needed to have on this 262 00:08:59,750 --> 00:08:58,240 flight 263 00:09:01,110 --> 00:08:59,760 uh was 264 00:09:03,670 --> 00:09:01,120 they picked up the pace they got them 265 00:09:05,269 --> 00:09:03,680 refurbed and and in the mplm 266 00:09:06,949 --> 00:09:05,279 include including something we called 267 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:06,959 the advanced 268 00:09:10,389 --> 00:09:08,800 rifta this is the tank 269 00:09:11,990 --> 00:09:10,399 that takes the brine from the urine 270 00:09:13,910 --> 00:09:12,000 processing assembly 271 00:09:15,350 --> 00:09:13,920 typically we fill those up and have 272 00:09:17,110 --> 00:09:15,360 thrown them away 273 00:09:18,710 --> 00:09:17,120 and they're big heavy tanks 274 00:09:21,030 --> 00:09:18,720 we've gone to a process now with this 275 00:09:23,190 --> 00:09:21,040 new design where we we can empty the 276 00:09:25,269 --> 00:09:23,200 tank on orbit and then we dump we dump 277 00:09:27,190 --> 00:09:25,279 the brine either into the rodnick tanks 278 00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:27,200 or disposable 279 00:09:30,949 --> 00:09:28,800 cans or bags so 280 00:09:33,430 --> 00:09:30,959 the team has done a remarkable job 281 00:09:35,269 --> 00:09:33,440 getting ready for this flight and in 282 00:09:37,590 --> 00:09:35,279 spite of how simple the cargo bay may 283 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:37,600 look it's a very critical flight to us 284 00:09:41,829 --> 00:09:40,080 and we're ready to go 285 00:09:43,590 --> 00:09:41,839 and i think it's very fitting last 286 00:09:45,509 --> 00:09:43,600 flight of the shuttle to to play such a 287 00:09:46,550 --> 00:09:45,519 critical role in the future success of 288 00:09:48,230 --> 00:09:46,560 iss 289 00:09:50,230 --> 00:09:48,240 thank you 290 00:09:52,470 --> 00:09:50,240 okay we're ready for questions um to 291 00:09:54,230 --> 00:09:52,480 make this easy we'll just run the 292 00:09:57,269 --> 00:09:54,240 front line if you have a question we'll 293 00:10:00,870 --> 00:09:57,279 start right down here on the front 294 00:10:05,590 --> 00:10:02,630 we're back there in usa today one 295 00:10:07,350 --> 00:10:05,600 question for each of you if i might 296 00:10:09,269 --> 00:10:07,360 for john shannon can you run us through 297 00:10:11,990 --> 00:10:09,279 the most recent shuttle employment 298 00:10:14,790 --> 00:10:12,000 numbers where your workforce stands 299 00:10:16,470 --> 00:10:14,800 today and what you expect it to be by 300 00:10:19,750 --> 00:10:16,480 the end of august 301 00:10:22,069 --> 00:10:19,760 and for microsoft fordini can you remind 302 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:22,079 me of the numbers of how long the 303 00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:24,240 supplies in the shuttle will get you 304 00:10:28,550 --> 00:10:27,600 um to to on to have a healthy iss life 305 00:10:30,150 --> 00:10:28,560 versus 306 00:10:32,389 --> 00:10:30,160 where you would have stood without this 307 00:10:34,150 --> 00:10:32,399 flight thank you 308 00:10:36,550 --> 00:10:34,160 okay so the first was the uh the 309 00:10:37,910 --> 00:10:36,560 question on the uh the current workforce 310 00:10:39,110 --> 00:10:37,920 and the the plans for the workforce 311 00:10:41,910 --> 00:10:39,120 right now 312 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:41,920 uh tracy we're down to 313 00:10:45,110 --> 00:10:43,120 um 314 00:10:47,030 --> 00:10:45,120 those required just for sustaining 315 00:10:49,350 --> 00:10:47,040 engineering and operation of the the 316 00:10:52,389 --> 00:10:49,360 last flight so it's about a 317 00:10:54,550 --> 00:10:52,399 5500 contractor employees right now 318 00:10:55,829 --> 00:10:54,560 that's spread across 319 00:10:57,190 --> 00:10:55,839 texas 320 00:11:01,750 --> 00:10:57,200 utah 321 00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:01,760 louisiana alabama florida and a little 322 00:11:07,990 --> 00:11:05,120 bit under 1200 civil servants 323 00:11:10,230 --> 00:11:08,000 so we're at about 6 700 total people 324 00:11:11,110 --> 00:11:10,240 working on the shuttle program 325 00:11:12,230 --> 00:11:11,120 and 326 00:11:15,269 --> 00:11:12,240 the big 327 00:11:17,190 --> 00:11:15,279 layoff is is really 328 00:11:19,509 --> 00:11:17,200 right after the 329 00:11:21,269 --> 00:11:19,519 shuttle 330 00:11:23,030 --> 00:11:21,279 landing and then we will keep some 331 00:11:25,430 --> 00:11:23,040 people in florida for down mission 332 00:11:27,350 --> 00:11:25,440 processing so on july 22nd 333 00:11:29,910 --> 00:11:27,360 if we launch on july 8th 334 00:11:32,470 --> 00:11:29,920 there will be a significant loss about 3 335 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:32,480 200 contractors 336 00:11:37,430 --> 00:11:34,800 there are 337 00:11:40,310 --> 00:11:37,440 progressive other layoffs in 338 00:11:42,870 --> 00:11:40,320 in august and in the middle of august 339 00:11:45,190 --> 00:11:42,880 for all of our uh 340 00:11:47,829 --> 00:11:45,200 prime contractors and the subs 341 00:11:49,670 --> 00:11:47,839 uh so they will go into the uh the 342 00:11:51,910 --> 00:11:49,680 transition retirement which is just the 343 00:11:54,470 --> 00:11:51,920 the configuration of the vehicles and 344 00:11:57,190 --> 00:11:54,480 and dispositioning the hardware uh 345 00:11:58,870 --> 00:11:57,200 that's under a thousand people total so 346 00:12:00,550 --> 00:11:58,880 uh that's that's where we are right now 347 00:12:02,710 --> 00:12:00,560 and where we should be in about a month 348 00:12:04,870 --> 00:12:02,720 and a half 349 00:12:05,910 --> 00:12:04,880 and tracy to answer your question uh 350 00:12:11,750 --> 00:12:05,920 this 351 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:11,760 and assuming that the htv and atvs fly 352 00:12:16,069 --> 00:12:14,160 which is expected we should be able to 353 00:12:20,310 --> 00:12:16,079 do nominal operations with research 354 00:12:22,550 --> 00:12:20,320 sport six crew through 2012 355 00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:22,560 and so that's that was our goal with 356 00:12:26,069 --> 00:12:24,480 this flight this flight gave us about 357 00:12:28,629 --> 00:12:26,079 six more months 358 00:12:30,069 --> 00:12:28,639 on orbit worth of supplies 359 00:12:33,350 --> 00:12:30,079 and so 360 00:12:35,110 --> 00:12:33,360 that that was critical to us because 361 00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:35,120 that sounds like it's not that much but 362 00:12:39,829 --> 00:12:37,200 what it does is give you time to manage 363 00:12:41,750 --> 00:12:39,839 if if the shuttle didn't fly we'd have 364 00:12:43,670 --> 00:12:41,760 to start talking today 365 00:12:45,110 --> 00:12:43,680 about reducing 366 00:12:46,150 --> 00:12:45,120 the amount of research we were going to 367 00:12:47,750 --> 00:12:46,160 do 368 00:12:49,990 --> 00:12:47,760 in order to make sure that the only 369 00:12:52,790 --> 00:12:50,000 thing on the htvs and atvs were going to 370 00:12:55,670 --> 00:12:52,800 be supplies for the crew so this gave us 371 00:12:57,190 --> 00:12:55,680 the added flexibility of of letting us 372 00:12:59,910 --> 00:12:57,200 continue research 373 00:13:01,509 --> 00:12:59,920 take care of the crew through 2012 about 374 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:01,519 midway through 2012 though we'll have to 375 00:13:05,350 --> 00:13:03,360 have that look again and say okay where 376 00:13:07,030 --> 00:13:05,360 where are our vehicles and our 377 00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:07,040 commercial vehicles and 378 00:13:11,269 --> 00:13:08,800 and if we're if we get nervous about 379 00:13:13,110 --> 00:13:11,279 their ability to support within within 380 00:13:15,269 --> 00:13:13,120 that next six months or so then we will 381 00:13:17,350 --> 00:13:15,279 be having that conversation i would tell 382 00:13:19,430 --> 00:13:17,360 you today i think they'll be fine 383 00:13:21,990 --> 00:13:19,440 i'm expecting to see them here in late 384 00:13:24,230 --> 00:13:22,000 fall early next year 385 00:13:27,269 --> 00:13:24,240 and that will be in plenty of time to 386 00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:27,279 to keep the logistics train going 387 00:13:31,430 --> 00:13:29,760 let's get bill right there 388 00:13:33,590 --> 00:13:31,440 bill harwood cbs news with one for each 389 00:13:35,110 --> 00:13:33,600 of you john what's the mood like going 390 00:13:36,310 --> 00:13:35,120 into this flight you spent your career 391 00:13:38,389 --> 00:13:36,320 in this and so have all these other 392 00:13:40,470 --> 00:13:38,399 people and uh the moment's finally 393 00:13:42,629 --> 00:13:40,480 gotten here 394 00:13:44,629 --> 00:13:42,639 well you know 395 00:13:47,110 --> 00:13:44,639 i can't 396 00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:47,120 there's a big awareness of of this is 397 00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:51,509 you know shuttle activity that we're 398 00:13:56,150 --> 00:13:53,600 going to do 399 00:13:58,310 --> 00:13:56,160 this team is is not 400 00:14:00,470 --> 00:13:58,320 really focused right now on last i see a 401 00:14:03,110 --> 00:14:00,480 huge amount of determination 402 00:14:04,790 --> 00:14:03,120 to to make sure that this flight goes 403 00:14:06,949 --> 00:14:04,800 extremely well 404 00:14:09,189 --> 00:14:06,959 um there's a lot of pride too because 405 00:14:11,189 --> 00:14:09,199 like i described in opening comments in 406 00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:11,199 january this was this was really 407 00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:12,959 ambitious to get to the point we're at 408 00:14:17,269 --> 00:14:14,160 right now 409 00:14:18,550 --> 00:14:17,279 and uh the team is aware that 410 00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:18,560 um 411 00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:21,360 you know carrying on their shoulders is 412 00:14:26,629 --> 00:14:24,160 the responsibility for 30 years of of 413 00:14:29,430 --> 00:14:26,639 legacy of this this you know iconic 414 00:14:30,710 --> 00:14:29,440 program iconic space program for 415 00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:30,720 for the nation 416 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:32,160 and 417 00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:34,560 uh i just i see a lot of determination 418 00:14:39,110 --> 00:14:37,600 and and and the team has had time to um 419 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:39,120 to prepare for 420 00:14:42,150 --> 00:14:40,720 the end of the program 421 00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:42,160 um 422 00:14:46,550 --> 00:14:45,360 it's uh it's been interesting the uh 423 00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:46,560 the uh 424 00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:47,760 folks that have been kind of on the 425 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:49,600 outside of the program 426 00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:50,880 are 427 00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:52,800 having a more difficult time i think 428 00:14:55,829 --> 00:14:54,240 dealing with the end of the shuttle than 429 00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:55,839 the actual shuttle program because we've 430 00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:57,360 been looking at it and preparing for it 431 00:15:00,949 --> 00:14:58,560 and planning 432 00:15:03,189 --> 00:15:00,959 for quite a while 433 00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:03,199 you know it's tough to uh to break up a 434 00:15:06,629 --> 00:15:05,440 team that has performed so well for so 435 00:15:08,069 --> 00:15:06,639 long 436 00:15:09,269 --> 00:15:08,079 i am 437 00:15:12,069 --> 00:15:09,279 extremely pleased with how the 438 00:15:13,990 --> 00:15:12,079 contractor leadership has treated their 439 00:15:15,350 --> 00:15:14,000 employees 440 00:15:17,189 --> 00:15:15,360 either 441 00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:17,199 moving skills to other programs that 442 00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:19,519 they have or folks that 443 00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:22,079 they cannot move to other programs 444 00:15:28,069 --> 00:15:24,160 they've put together very fair severance 445 00:15:31,910 --> 00:15:30,870 to try to to have things like job fairs 446 00:15:35,670 --> 00:15:31,920 and 447 00:15:39,189 --> 00:15:35,680 activities that they can help them get 448 00:15:40,389 --> 00:15:39,199 placed in in other areas and that's been 449 00:15:43,829 --> 00:15:40,399 been very successful 450 00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:43,839 uh in texas in florida and alabama and 451 00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:46,160 really everywhere so you know 452 00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:48,399 it's you're balancing two things one is 453 00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:50,320 you're trying to treat the workforce 454 00:15:53,670 --> 00:15:52,240 with a with a tremendous amount of 455 00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:53,680 respect 456 00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:55,839 and you're also trying to get the job 457 00:15:59,110 --> 00:15:57,680 done and 458 00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:59,120 nobody takes it for granted that you 459 00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:00,639 know every shuttle flight is going to go 460 00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:02,320 extremely well you have to work very 461 00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:03,759 hard to ensure that that's going to 462 00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:05,920 happen and that's just what i see with 463 00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:07,440 the core shuttle team right now is just 464 00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:10,079 an extreme determination to to make sure 465 00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:11,360 that it goes well and that we end up 466 00:16:17,749 --> 00:16:15,749 and one quick one for mike suffer danny 467 00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:17,759 can you expand on your last answer about 468 00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:19,360 uh kites tell us what you're thinking 469 00:16:23,910 --> 00:16:21,440 with spacex with flights one and two and 470 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:23,920 when when you expect these guys to fly i 471 00:16:27,110 --> 00:16:25,120 was i was interested in the impact of 472 00:16:29,910 --> 00:16:27,120 the engine fire on the on the taurus and 473 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:29,920 and just how all that stacks up 474 00:16:34,829 --> 00:16:33,120 uh let's see for for spacex of course 475 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:34,839 these aren't set 476 00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:39,120 um and in this in this environment 477 00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:41,680 these guys are trying to perform so 478 00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:43,360 they would like us to show aggressive 479 00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:47,519 dates to challenge the team and and 480 00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:49,519 make sure everybody focuses on this 481 00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:51,600 them flying as soon as they can 482 00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:54,160 uh that's balanced with us we have to 483 00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:55,920 pick we have to pick slots for them to 484 00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:57,920 come to iss that meet 485 00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:59,440 meet our needs that we can be ready for 486 00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:01,040 them uh so we're having those 487 00:17:05,909 --> 00:17:02,880 conversations uh 488 00:17:07,669 --> 00:17:05,919 is the with spacex specifically we're 489 00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:07,679 looking at combining they want to 490 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:09,760 combine their two their remaining two 491 00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:12,720 demo flights into one and come to iss 492 00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:14,160 i'll actually have that conversation 493 00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:16,079 this afternoon and decide whether or not 494 00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:18,799 we can be comfortable with that with our 495 00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:21,919 our friends in the cots office 496 00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:25,199 and then assuming we agree to that uh i 497 00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,199 would expect to see that demonstration 498 00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:29,280 flight 499 00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:31,280 late in the fall i you know i would tell 500 00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:33,679 you a month but then then they you know 501 00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:35,200 everybody gets upset when we when we 502 00:17:38,070 --> 00:17:37,200 lean too far forward but 503 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:38,080 uh 504 00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:39,360 i would say in 505 00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:42,080 the last quarter of the calendar year uh 506 00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:43,760 probably mid midway through the last 507 00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:45,280 quarter the calendar year 508 00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:47,039 is probably what you'll see a shoot for 509 00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:48,880 for the for that spacex flight that 510 00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:51,280 actually docks to iss 511 00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:53,360 as far as orbital goes that's a little 512 00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:55,600 that's a little more challenging they 513 00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:57,679 also wanted to try in fact currently i 514 00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:59,120 think we showed them 515 00:18:02,630 --> 00:18:00,400 in december 516 00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:02,640 they were trying to get 517 00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:05,520 at a test flight before that now similar 518 00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:11,590 the the engine 519 00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:13,840 failure they experienced on the ground 520 00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:15,760 has yet to be rolled into the schedule 521 00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:16,799 they're still 522 00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:18,320 sorting through 523 00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:19,760 the metallurgy associated with the 524 00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:21,280 problem and seeing if it's systemic 525 00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:22,160 across 526 00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:24,240 the fleet of engines or not 527 00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:25,679 and so they haven't officially come back 528 00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:28,480 and talked to us i would expect to today 529 00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:30,960 uh assuming that doesn't have a huge 530 00:18:34,390 --> 00:18:32,720 square wave i would expect to see them 531 00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:34,400 fly in the first quarter of next year 532 00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:36,320 their demo flight to iss 533 00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,640 but but that's the engine failure 534 00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:40,240 notwithstanding we really haven't we 535 00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:41,760 haven't understood the impacts of that 536 00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:47,750 go ahead mark right here 537 00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:50,480 uh thank you mark caro for aviation week 538 00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:52,799 and i'm i have a question and a 539 00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,240 follow-up 540 00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:56,640 my first uh question is for mike 541 00:18:59,909 --> 00:18:58,080 safradini 542 00:19:03,270 --> 00:18:59,919 um i think in the past you've sort of 543 00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:03,280 characterized especially the 544 00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:05,840 the uh life support gear on the station 545 00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:09,200 that's recycling uh the water 546 00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,799 and the oxygen is sort of in the 547 00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:12,559 development stage and i wonder if you 548 00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:14,960 can sort of characterize 549 00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:18,080 where you'll be with your ulf7 once it 550 00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:20,720 reaches a station in terms of 551 00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:23,280 additional troubleshooting you can do 552 00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:25,600 and also the kinds of spare parts you 553 00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:27,600 have to keep the 554 00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:28,400 the 555 00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:32,160 life support systems working 556 00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,760 that's a great question and i could 557 00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:35,280 spend three hours talking about the life 558 00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:37,360 support system on iss and i won't do 559 00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:40,400 that to you guys um 560 00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,840 let me back up and say uh the trl level 561 00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:45,679 alone has probably been brought up a 562 00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:48,080 couple of notches just in in the last 563 00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:49,840 year of operation on board iss we've 564 00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:51,360 learned quite a bit quite a bit about 565 00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:53,200 these systems remember we started with 566 00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:55,200 the upa problem and we think we now 567 00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:56,400 understand 568 00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:58,400 what caused that concern we're operating 569 00:20:01,750 --> 00:20:00,240 the system a little more conservatively 570 00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,760 we don't let the brine tank 571 00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,200 concentration get as high as we 572 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:05,120 originally planned 573 00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,480 we're having to look we're looking at 574 00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:08,320 the pre-treat to see if we can increase 575 00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:10,799 the concentration concentration just 576 00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:12,640 simply turns into how how often you have 577 00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:15,520 to change out tanks and and you get less 578 00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:16,720 water back 579 00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,320 when you're when you don't have this 580 00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:20,640 high concentration we had planned to 581 00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:23,200 operate at about 85 at what we call the 582 00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:25,760 85 percent level we're about 70 percent 583 00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:27,919 and uh and until we work out 584 00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:30,240 uh the fix to the the change to the 585 00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,919 flush water will probably stay there and 586 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:33,440 we've been very stable you haven't heard 587 00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:36,320 us talk about upa failures in some time 588 00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:38,000 the oxygen generator was the one that 589 00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:41,360 was giving us trouble uh here recently 590 00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:44,240 we had we have determined that it has to 591 00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:44,960 do 592 00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,280 largely with 593 00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:49,840 with the ph level in the water and the 594 00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,760 reaction between the water and this and 595 00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:54,000 the cells cell stack itself 596 00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:57,760 we've changed how we operate the oga 597 00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,880 we've got 598 00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:00,720 we keep the water flowing all the time 599 00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,559 that was one issue it keeps us from 600 00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,400 stagnating water against the screens and 601 00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:06,640 causing part of the problem 602 00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:08,960 and then we introduced 603 00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:12,000 a filter and then this filter is a is a 604 00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:14,840 bed that manages the ph for us in a 605 00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:17,520 sense uh we just installed that we 606 00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:20,640 installed that uh on ulf um five and 607 00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,600 then on 608 00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:23,280 the press the flow rate was too low we 609 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:24,480 thought that would be the case but we're 610 00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:25,919 going to try anyway 611 00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:28,320 uh on ulf6 we changed out some qd's to 612 00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:29,760 get the flow rate up which worked and so 613 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,600 now we've got the oga up 614 00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,360 today it's produced an oxygen for six 615 00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:36,000 crew and and uh and we believe that's 616 00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,880 uh 617 00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,640 that's a long-term way we can operate 618 00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,000 and so in the future you'll hear us 619 00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,240 we'll we'll manage the oga 620 00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,400 uh with the electron and the gas on 621 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,159 board but you probably won't hear us 622 00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,400 talking about operating beyond 55 that's 623 00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,600 one of the things we learned that it's 624 00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,679 just challenges to the fuel cells we 625 00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,600 operate above that so so we feel pretty 626 00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,200 comfortable about that 627 00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,440 the the water processor itself we had a 628 00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,440 couple problems with it over time we've 629 00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,280 removed a valve which is 630 00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:03,039 basically getting clogged that we didn't 631 00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:05,120 need and installed a filter which we 632 00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,640 showed it's flight readiness view it's 633 00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:08,320 it's a very ugly looking filter that we 634 00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,440 pulled out 635 00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:11,360 but that just means it's doing its job 636 00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,360 and and that's really helped the water 637 00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:15,600 processor become more stable so those 638 00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:18,000 systems are are from a regenerative eco 639 00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:19,120 standpoint we're starting to get our 640 00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,720 arms around that 641 00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,799 the carbon dioxide removal system we've 642 00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,799 been challenged from the first flight we 643 00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:26,480 first activated it 644 00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:27,520 but we've 645 00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:30,000 we've pretty much solved that one 646 00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,559 as well and we've got both of the carbon 647 00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:34,880 dioxide removal systems working good we 648 00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:37,360 do have a system called the 649 00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:40,000 mass constituent analyzer mca kind of 650 00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,280 tells us the 651 00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:44,159 the levels of bpco2 mp 652 00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,760 and the partial pressures of oxygen and 653 00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,440 some other gases 654 00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:49,039 that system is challenging us a little 655 00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,360 bit these days it's a relatively small 656 00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:53,039 system and we'll work through that 657 00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,880 that's not as critical we have other 658 00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,320 means of measuring the environment so 659 00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:58,320 we're not as concerned about that 660 00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,200 um so overall i think we're we're much 661 00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:03,039 better off than than we were it was good 662 00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,400 we had this extra time with shuttle 663 00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,480 flying to provide the supplies we have 664 00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,240 at least one spare for all of the 665 00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,480 critical systems uh on orbit in most 666 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,159 cases we have two 667 00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,000 um and that's the exception that with 668 00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:15,840 the exception of the cedra beds 669 00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,159 themselves uh we don't have spare beds 670 00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,400 but uh but we have two seadras and only 671 00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,559 it only takes one to do the entire crew 672 00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:24,000 on iss so 673 00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:25,200 so i think we're in really good shape 674 00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:26,559 now 675 00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:29,840 that was almost three hours sorry 676 00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:30,799 shannon 677 00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:32,960 you mentioned something about where the 678 00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:35,760 workforce goes in terms of numbers in 679 00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,640 august i'm sorry i didn't hear what you 680 00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,240 said in terms of numbers i don't believe 681 00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:42,480 it was in response to an earlier 682 00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,240 question about the 683 00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,240 the future of the shuttle workforce 684 00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,640 after the last flight 685 00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,240 okay i'll just tell you what i'm told 686 00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,320 tracy is right now we're at about 5 500 687 00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:53,760 contractors 688 00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:54,720 um 689 00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,600 after the the july 22nd layoff and this 690 00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,919 as soon as we launch on on or around 691 00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,440 july 8th 692 00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:03,679 and then a few other layoffs as work is 693 00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,400 completed in in florida 694 00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,400 we'll be down to just under a thousand 695 00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,159 contractors that will be 696 00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,559 doing the disposition work of the 697 00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,320 of the assets of the program and 698 00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:16,880 preparing the orbiters for 699 00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,760 for being displayed in in museums and 700 00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,520 that's expected to be about a two-year 701 00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,520 program uh they will not keep that 702 00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:25,679 number of contractors and workforce all 703 00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:28,480 the time it'll be a steadily decreasing 704 00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:29,440 slope 705 00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,159 and 706 00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:31,919 as activities are completed those people 707 00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:34,480 will either be moved to other areas or 708 00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,990 um irene klotz with reuters i have a 709 00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,600 question for each of you i'm from for 710 00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,080 mike safradini um you mentioned about 711 00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,840 the increased science you've been able 712 00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:47,120 to get and i'm wondering if you could 713 00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,640 just give us an update on what the 714 00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,120 target number of hours for science on 715 00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:55,360 iss is and if it's still 716 00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,799 40 hours a week amongst the six person 717 00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:01,200 crew which doesn't seem like a whole lot 718 00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,039 and i know there's quite a lot just of 719 00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:05,120 maintenance and everything on station 720 00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,720 but why um 721 00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:08,000 um 722 00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,360 why does it 723 00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,919 why do you need five people 724 00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:13,919 operating station to basically get one 725 00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,269 okay that was a lot of questions there 726 00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,120 uh okay so right after this flight we're 727 00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,000 gonna go to 33 hours a week average our 728 00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,760 goal is 35 729 00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,559 so we will we'll get through this stage 730 00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:30,159 and so when we bring up the next crew 731 00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,320 after this flight we'll go to 35 hours 732 00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:34,720 that was actually our goal not 40. 733 00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,679 um however it is a little misleading all 734 00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,000 of the exercise that the crew does 735 00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,159 generally is also 736 00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,400 human research we don't count those 737 00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,320 hours so when they're on the bikes or on 738 00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:48,400 the treadmill 739 00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,279 or the a-red they're doing prescripted 740 00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,120 runs and we get data from that from a 741 00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:55,520 human research standpoint so we actually 742 00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:58,799 get in a 35-hour week at 35 hours per 743 00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,679 week 744 00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:00,960 we actually get more than that because 745 00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,919 we count the exercise time 746 00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,279 because we don't count the exercise time 747 00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:07,760 excuse me um 748 00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:10,799 you know i could it i could spend a lot 749 00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,840 of time 750 00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,679 talking about this this topic first of 751 00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:16,000 all it's the us os crew is where we get 752 00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,360 our time from 753 00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,279 that's only on the us os that doesn't 754 00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,440 include the russian research so the the 755 00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:24,000 iss crew essentially has three crew on 756 00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:25,760 the russian segment dedicated to russian 757 00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,320 segment work and three dedicated to u.s 758 00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,919 os 759 00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,080 the crew work day 760 00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:34,880 not counting their time exercising is 761 00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,600 six and a half hours per day 762 00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,679 and we don't obligate them to work but 763 00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,600 about half a day on saturdays for and 764 00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,960 that's that's for 765 00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,400 cleaning up 766 00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:46,159 cleaning screens and housekeeping type 767 00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,279 chores 768 00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:49,600 so you can do the math pretty quick 769 00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:50,799 you start asking yourself how are we 770 00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,919 able to give them 35 hours a week 771 00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:56,080 and and it's just it's just there's a 772 00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,919 lot to be done on station it's a very 773 00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:00,080 big vehicle it takes a lot to maintain 774 00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,360 it 775 00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,520 any extra time we can get 776 00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,200 we do for research you find that our 777 00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,960 crews give quite a bit of their weekends 778 00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,200 to research so when we when we say we're 779 00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:11,679 shooting for 35 hours in fact every time 780 00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,039 every increment 781 00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,960 we've actually gotten more research time 782 00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,640 than we expected because of the work 783 00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,240 that the crews do over the weekend just 784 00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,080 to participate and we just call it 785 00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,760 saturday morning science sometimes it's 786 00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,679 sunday morning 787 00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,840 it just depends on how how the crew is 788 00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,200 feeling and whether they have the extra 789 00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:29,360 time to give so 790 00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:30,320 we don't 791 00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,480 to do 792 00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,480 we carve out 35 hours and we have to 793 00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,840 work really hard 794 00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,600 we have to manage the maintenance of the 795 00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,039 systems to make sure we give that to 796 00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,919 them it's just a it's a big vehicle 797 00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,360 it takes a lot to maintain things you 798 00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:47,440 take for granted here on the ground we 799 00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:52,470 irene 800 00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,440 and for john um i know the nasa's human 801 00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:57,679 space flight program is not ending with 802 00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,799 shuttle um but it certainly has been the 803 00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:03,520 um the cornerstone of the program and i 804 00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,880 think to most people the most visible 805 00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,559 part of nasa 806 00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,679 and i hope this doesn't put you on the 807 00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,600 spot too much but do you think that the 808 00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,919 agency is going to have 809 00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,840 something along the lines of an identity 810 00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,000 crisis as far as the 811 00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:20,559 outside world is concerned after shuttle 812 00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,960 stops flying 813 00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:24,640 well i think it's it's very fair to say 814 00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:28,640 that the uh the space shuttle for 815 00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:32,240 a majority of nasa's existence has been 816 00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,120 um 817 00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,240 program 818 00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,240 so now uh now we're going to retire it 819 00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,640 and i think that that is my this is my 820 00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,960 personal opinion irene is that that is 821 00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,720 okay we're 822 00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,080 we have a 823 00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,679 significant breadth in the activities 824 00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,200 that we're going to do 825 00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,520 we'll focus on iss it will become the 826 00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:53,200 cornerstone of our human space flight 827 00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,559 activities 828 00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:56,159 we've got the commercial crew and cargo 829 00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:59,120 activities coming along and i i kind of 830 00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,240 like the 831 00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,159 my mental image is that 832 00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:04,240 you know nasa should be doing 833 00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,440 those things that are on the leading 834 00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:08,159 edge and the shuttle has been an amazing 835 00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:09,760 learning tool 836 00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:12,960 to provide us the platform an 837 00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,200 opportunity to learn how to operate 838 00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,799 in low-earth orbit we've learned how to 839 00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,480 assemble we've learned how to do space 840 00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:20,080 walks we've learned how 841 00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:22,080 to control the medical aspects of space 842 00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,120 flight especially long-term space flight 843 00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,640 we've just we've learned a lot about 844 00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,120 just how to do things in space 845 00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,960 and and now it's i think it's 846 00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,399 appropriate 847 00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,200 that we are handing that over to 848 00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,840 commercial companies to capitalize on 849 00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:40,399 that experience that's been learned 850 00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,440 and so 851 00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,279 given that that leading edge kind of 852 00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:45,279 theory i think nasa should go and expand 853 00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:47,120 our sphere and 854 00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,640 and 855 00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,720 take on the uh the 856 00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,640 activities that are outside of leo so 857 00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:55,679 we'll kind of leave behind leo to to iss 858 00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,399 and commercial and human space flight 859 00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,960 for nasa will work on the challenges of 860 00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,279 of doing things in geo or high earth 861 00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:05,919 orbit or uh potentially you know lunar 862 00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,039 orbit um and uh 863 00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,279 you know we have the the proposal to do 864 00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,679 uh near earth object activities and so 865 00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:15,279 that to me is the is the leading edge 866 00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,799 activities we were leaving behind 867 00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,080 the leo 868 00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,640 i think in good hands and 869 00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,399 and we'll go on to the next thing that 870 00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:27,200 uh that is uh that is difficult to do 871 00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,080 and 872 00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,919 i think most of the the folks are 873 00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,919 involved with nasa understand that with 874 00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,279 the limited 875 00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,000 uh funding that we can expect that you 876 00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,240 can't carry everything with you 877 00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:40,159 to do that next thing you have to give 878 00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,600 up something 879 00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,600 and it's appropriate in the right time 880 00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:45,279 with iss and the configuration that it's 881 00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,840 in right now to give up the the leo 882 00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:49,520 piece of it and really concentrate on 883 00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,240 the on the next activities 884 00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,559 i think another benefit 885 00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:55,919 that we don't really talk about very 886 00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,640 much is 887 00:31:01,909 --> 00:31:00,720 that comes from retiring the shuttle 888 00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:01,919 program 889 00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:05,039 is that now nasa has freed up 890 00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,320 a lot of people that know how to fly in 891 00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,640 space that know how to get hardware 892 00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:12,480 configured to do development to do 893 00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,440 integration uh to do the planning of 894 00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,919 missions and and can actually go and 895 00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,399 execute those missions so uh my 896 00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,559 confidence that uh that we're gonna take 897 00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,159 a little bit of downtime understand 898 00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,080 exactly what we wanna go do we have the 899 00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:28,720 right people to go do it um there seems 900 00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,279 to be sufficient funding to go do it 901 00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,880 so i think i think there's a lot of 902 00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,399 excitement in the year when you realize 903 00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:36,320 that yes it's sad to give up what you 904 00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:37,600 know 905 00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:40,159 but elio is in good hands 906 00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,679 we're going to go on and do the do the 907 00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,039 next thing and we have the right team to 908 00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:45,360 go do it 909 00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,720 gina 910 00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,440 sarah abc news two questions uh john 911 00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,279 shannon let's start how's the dynamic 912 00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:53,760 different with four people on the crew 913 00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,720 well it's uh it is different um 914 00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:59,279 it when we originally put this uh this 915 00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,000 uh flight together in in kwazii we'll 916 00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,799 tell you more about it then you know in 917 00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,880 flight director briefing later on uh we 918 00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:08,000 did not think we would be able to 919 00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,760 rendezvous on flight day three like we 920 00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,360 normally do just because of all the 921 00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,200 activities that happen in 922 00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,279 in flight days one and two 923 00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,200 but as they practiced and as they worked 924 00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,880 through different uh processes they were 925 00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:20,559 able to get to a point where we could we 926 00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,200 could rendezvous on flight day three 927 00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,360 the inspection's a little bit more 928 00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:27,039 difficult because it's that's a crew 929 00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:28,399 intensive activity 930 00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:30,320 uh docking the same way 931 00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:31,200 um 932 00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,640 all of the crew will be up on the flight 933 00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,559 deck there's nobody on the mid deck 934 00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,039 um so there's some emergency activities 935 00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,600 that you would send rex down to the to 936 00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:41,279 the mid deck and he would configure his 937 00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,399 com to 938 00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,240 to help out there 939 00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:46,240 it's it is different 940 00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,760 um 941 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:49,679 but as we started working through all of 942 00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,480 the different issues uh we got to places 943 00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,919 where it's it you know we were able to 944 00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:55,679 resolve most of those differences and 945 00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:57,919 make it look much more like a more 946 00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,320 normal mission 947 00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:02,559 i have to say you know it's 948 00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,399 there has never been um 949 00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:08,080 a standard 950 00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:09,919 uh shuttle mission where you fly one 951 00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,960 mission and you fly another one that 952 00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,720 looks just like it and and we're gonna 953 00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,360 end up exactly the same way as this one 954 00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,760 took a lot of uh care and a lot of 955 00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,919 thought by the operations team as to how 956 00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,600 exactly we were gonna we were gonna be 957 00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:23,679 able to pull this off and i think they 958 00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:29,750 and for mike safradini five years ago i 959 00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:31,279 asked you if you thought you was enough 960 00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,559 wiggle room 961 00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,880 for you to finish the space station 962 00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,559 because there were all kinds of issues 963 00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:39,120 popping up so looking back the last five 964 00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,559 years what were the moments that made 965 00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,880 you think you wouldn't get to this point 966 00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,720 that we wouldn't get to this point 967 00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,559 wouldn't get to this point you got here 968 00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,039 what did it take to get here 969 00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:51,360 yeah gina that's a hard one you know we 970 00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,880 we've worked 971 00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:55,200 it's a it's just a fantastic program to 972 00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,799 work in because you're never bored we 973 00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,480 work more 974 00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:01,440 more issues than i i could even remember 975 00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,120 at this point we have been challenged 976 00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,360 just to have this flight was a was an 977 00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:10,159 important milestone uh there are some 978 00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:12,079 systems that we worried about the oxygen 979 00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,520 generation was one i really worried 980 00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,639 about whether we were going to figure 981 00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,879 out how to tackle that before 982 00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,079 before we got to the point where we 983 00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:20,240 didn't have a regular logistics train 984 00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:22,480 that's been an important one 985 00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,359 for us we've 986 00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,760 we've been really ultimately throughout 987 00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:29,520 this program we've been relatively 988 00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,320 blessed from an anomaly standpoint 989 00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,320 but the pump module failure taught us a 990 00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:36,800 whole lot and um 991 00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,389 that's a that's an opportunity for us 992 00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,480 every time we have a failure like this 993 00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,240 uh it's an opportunity for us to learn 994 00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,720 and as long as we learn from them all 995 00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:51,040 then then we'll be okay but 996 00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,879 you know along the way i guess i always 997 00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,800 assumed we'd figure out how to get there 998 00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:56,960 it's just the way we've been 999 00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,359 i i'll tell you we 1000 00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:01,200 this is reminiscing and we did a lot of 1001 00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,000 this about about a year ago but 1002 00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,320 when i knew we'd be okay was on the 1003 00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,880 flight where we discovered uh it was the 1004 00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,400 no two flight 1005 00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:12,560 and during that flight we discovered not 1006 00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,520 only the the rotary joint for one of the 1007 00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,200 solar arrays was 1008 00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,440 was damaged at the point to where we 1009 00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,800 didn't believe it would be repaired but 1010 00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,800 we also learned there in that mission 1011 00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,800 that we knew how to tear a solar array 1012 00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,599 and 1013 00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,280 by the end of that mission 1014 00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:30,160 we had repaired the solar ray and uh and 1015 00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,680 it began to focus on how we were going 1016 00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,359 to live with this with this joint and 1017 00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:35,280 ultimately we didn't have to replace the 1018 00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,880 joint 1019 00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:38,079 and so 1020 00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:39,520 once we got through that i kind of felt 1021 00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,200 like this this team could tackle just 1022 00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:42,720 about any problem that 1023 00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,920 that was dished out it's a very very 1024 00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:47,440 dangerous environment 1025 00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:48,400 space 1026 00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:49,839 people don't 1027 00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,800 i think normally think about that and 1028 00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,320 you know when shuttles launch and land 1029 00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,320 we all understand 1030 00:36:03,270 --> 00:35:58,480 the risk associated that we've lost dear 1031 00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,069 phases of flight but but on orbit we 1032 00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,640 live with very real risks 1033 00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:10,079 that we can't do a whole lot about it's 1034 00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,680 the risk you you just have to learn to 1035 00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:13,200 live with one is 1036 00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:15,359 and we read about it last week a risk of 1037 00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:16,400 things 1038 00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,760 that are also 1039 00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,680 co-orbiting the earth with us and 1040 00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,359 sometimes they pass our orbit sometimes 1041 00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,200 they pass a little too close 1042 00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,040 uh often most of the time we get to 1043 00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:27,599 maneuver sometimes we don't 1044 00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,480 um 1045 00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,079 and then we shelter in place and that's 1046 00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,000 a that's that is a risk we live with 1047 00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,920 every day but when i look at all the 1048 00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,599 things we had to do 1049 00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:37,839 the fact that we got sts-135 i think put 1050 00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,720 us in in a posture to let us wait for 1051 00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,560 the next logistics train so to me it's 1052 00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,920 always been about 1053 00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:45,680 having everything we needed to to do 1054 00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,880 what we ultimately said we were going to 1055 00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,160 do with this vehicle we spent a lot of 1056 00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,079 money on it's now time for us to utilize 1057 00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,920 it and i wanted to i hope that we'd be 1058 00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,280 in a good position to focus on 1059 00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,839 utilization i think we are 1060 00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,119 good robert 1061 00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,200 hi robert perlin with collectspace.com 1062 00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:00,720 uh with two questions one for each of 1063 00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:01,599 you 1064 00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,040 first for john 1065 00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,200 to follow up on something you you said 1066 00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,599 just a few questions ago 1067 00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,359 do i understand correctly 1068 00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,760 that transition and retirement is going 1069 00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,880 to take about 1070 00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,800 two years and then is that when the 1071 00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,480 space shuttle program formally comes to 1072 00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,720 an end and how big of a task is it 1073 00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,560 during that time to archive the 1074 00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:23,520 knowledge of 30 of a 30-year program all 1075 00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:24,400 right 1076 00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:25,280 um 1077 00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,480 we're not waiting until the final wheel 1078 00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,320 stop to get started on on transition 1079 00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:32,720 retirement it's been ongoing for 1080 00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,800 uh about three years really and 1081 00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:39,040 as you know as we would 1082 00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:41,040 end an activity then we would clean up 1083 00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:42,880 that area and 1084 00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:45,680 and disposition resources um things like 1085 00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,839 palmdale you know we 1086 00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,680 cleared out of palmdale and 1087 00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:51,040 and 1088 00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,480 you saw like pad b has been has been 1089 00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,960 coming down those are big examples there 1090 00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,280 are many many many smaller examples 1091 00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:05,839 knowledge capture data archiving records 1092 00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,079 retention that's all been going on 1093 00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,240 and that's been good because it 1094 00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,839 there is nobody bored in the shuttle 1095 00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,920 program i guarantee you you know as as 1096 00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:15,200 they're if they're not doing flight 1097 00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,560 activities they're doing transition 1098 00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,400 retirement kind of activities 1099 00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,560 um will we be a hundred percent done 1100 00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:21,839 with everything associated with the 1101 00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,200 shuttle in two years no uh that would be 1102 00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:27,040 that would be uh not reasonable to 1103 00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:28,000 expect 1104 00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:29,680 i think all of the the big things will 1105 00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:32,400 be done and then the the smaller 1106 00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,480 uh activities will just be handed over 1107 00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,880 to the individual centers where those 1108 00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,040 uh those resources are located for them 1109 00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,800 to to disposition 1110 00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:42,160 we'll concentrate over the next two 1111 00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:43,760 years on things that are outside of the 1112 00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,640 fences of the of the centers uh at 1113 00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:49,119 contractor uh sites making sure that 1114 00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,920 they're all uh squared away and and uh 1115 00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,240 and we've uh we've dispositioned all the 1116 00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,400 all the resources and recorded all the 1117 00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,800 activities that that we needed to um so 1118 00:39:01,190 --> 00:39:00,240 we're projecting probably about two 1119 00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,200 years 1120 00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,000 um the shuttle program will end uh 30 1121 00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:06,000 days after we'll stop 1122 00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,839 on atlantis on this flight that'll be 1123 00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,920 the official end of the shuttle program 1124 00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:11,920 and then there will just be a space 1125 00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:14,640 shuttle transition retirement 1126 00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:18,320 organization that we already have 1127 00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:19,760 set that up we know who's going to run 1128 00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:20,640 it and 1129 00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,839 and what their activities are going to 1130 00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:23,040 be 1131 00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:24,880 so really the end of the shuttle is 30 1132 00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,240 days after atlantis lands 1133 00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,200 and for mike um in the case in the rare 1134 00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:34,320 case that this mission had to take cscs 1135 00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,359 safe haven on the space station um where 1136 00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:39,119 does that leave you at the end with the 1137 00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,560 space station can you still support a 1138 00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,480 six-person crew at that point 1139 00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,920 um 1140 00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:45,920 taking into effect the the supplies 1141 00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,400 they're delivering with this flight 1142 00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:50,720 that's an excellent question robert 1143 00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:53,839 in fact what we showed through our 1144 00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:56,960 through our work is that we in fact 1145 00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,200 it's you know it's a gradual 1146 00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,720 coming down of the crew it's not one 1147 00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,240 flight comes up from all four crew go 1148 00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,560 home so we begin relatively early by 1149 00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,560 removing one of the crew and then 1150 00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,480 eventually come down by december time 1151 00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,040 frame we're down to six to less than six 1152 00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,960 crew actually so from a resource 1153 00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,359 standpoint we don't the the research 1154 00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,200 resources aren't quite as challenged 1155 00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,440 then we the crew actually 1156 00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,680 um starts the crew number stays down 1157 00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,000 below six for a while 1158 00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:26,000 and then what we made sure was that 1159 00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:27,520 given the normal 1160 00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,920 uh vehicle traffic that we can expect 1161 00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,000 not including the 1162 00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:34,079 the commercial cargo vehicles so we made 1163 00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,760 sure we didn't have to rely on those 1164 00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:37,359 that by the time we got the last crew 1165 00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:39,280 person home we could reconstitute up 1166 00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:40,720 back up to six 1167 00:40:44,790 --> 00:40:43,280 uh upon the return of the last crew and 1168 00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:44,800 it was i forgotten 1169 00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,760 a few weeks later we fly a soyuz up with 1170 00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:49,839 with a full crew of of three and we get 1171 00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:52,400 back up to six and can continue on so 1172 00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:57,510 hi 1173 00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,839 denise ciao at space.com the question 1174 00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,920 for i think john shannon but perhaps 1175 00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,160 either of you um just curious as to 1176 00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,800 whether from a program perspective 1177 00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:09,119 was it a lot more challenging to manage 1178 00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,720 and process the payload for this mission 1179 00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,880 because it was the last and when it was 1180 00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:13,920 announced that you were going to go 1181 00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,240 ahead and fly 135 were there special 1182 00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,400 arrangements made to accommodate cargo 1183 00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,319 that would need the capacity of the 1184 00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:22,319 shuttle to bring it up okay 1185 00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,760 that's actually both of us um 1186 00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,839 we had made sure that we were really 1187 00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,440 well aware 1188 00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,119 as we went through the 1189 00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:33,200 the budget and authorization and 1190 00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,200 appropriations discussions 1191 00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,000 last fall and into this spring 1192 00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:39,920 that we were very mindful of the dates 1193 00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,160 that were required to protect crew 1194 00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,560 training to protect cargo configuration 1195 00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,480 to make sure that that we had everything 1196 00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,480 that we needed to be able to fly this 1197 00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:49,680 flight 1198 00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,040 at this time and we were 1199 00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,800 very clear with 1200 00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,920 both 1201 00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,000 congress and the administration of those 1202 00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,760 need dates and we worked i think very 1203 00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,960 closely with 1204 00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:02,480 with them to make sure that that was 1205 00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:03,760 understood 1206 00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,079 we protected those dates and 1207 00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,599 because we were running under in our 1208 00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:10,240 budget uh significantly we had some room 1209 00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:13,599 to to be able to uh to uh to process the 1210 00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,319 things required to uh to stay on track 1211 00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,480 for this flight so it was we treated it 1212 00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,640 fairly uh pretty much like a like a 1213 00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,720 regular mission from a from a shuttle 1214 00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,880 standpoint and uh and mike can talk 1215 00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,640 about the uh what actually goes in the 1216 00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:28,079 mplm so 1217 00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:29,359 we we 1218 00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,200 also early on for sts-134 the launch on 1219 00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,599 need flight we decided that the 1220 00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,200 the supplies needed for the launch on 1221 00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,880 need flight was very similar to supplies 1222 00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,280 we needed on this flight for for uh for 1223 00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:43,760 a stand-alone mission that is if you had 1224 00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,079 to do a launch on need because we had 1225 00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,640 stranded the sts-134 crew on orbit they 1226 00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,920 were going to consume quite a few of our 1227 00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,160 supplies so essentially we needed a full 1228 00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:55,040 mplm so when the shuttle left we'd be in 1229 00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:56,800 a good configuration 1230 00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,359 to continue on with iss and so early on 1231 00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,440 we we had pretty much decided we'd have 1232 00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,040 a fully loaded mplm as part of this 1233 00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,599 flight and we had manifested in lmc 1234 00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:07,200 because we didn't know if we needed it 1235 00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,480 but it was always good insurance 1236 00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,240 and then we made sure that we protected 1237 00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,079 the team that does the work to load the 1238 00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,560 mplms and and uh and 1239 00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,240 manifest the 1240 00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:21,119 uh and and essentially hands-on load the 1241 00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:23,920 lmc were protected in our budgets 1242 00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:26,319 through the end of um when we expected 1243 00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:29,440 sts-135 to fly and as you may recall the 1244 00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:32,960 lon was in the late june time frame 1245 00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:35,599 already so we we had kind of because of 1246 00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:37,280 what we needed to do if we had to do the 1247 00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,319 yellow in one the 135 mission itself was 1248 00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:42,079 essentially the same it was four crew it 1249 00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,960 was an it was an mplm we had hoped to 1250 00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,520 unload the mplm but and rescue the crew 1251 00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,079 at the same time um and so we've kind of 1252 00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,720 been following this road and uh for some 1253 00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:54,720 time and and made sure the team was at 1254 00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:57,440 the right size to to protect that 1255 00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,599 throughout 1256 00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:01,200 let me take two more questions here then 1257 00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,480 we're gonna go to ksc and then we'll 1258 00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,079 come back so i'm gonna get marcia and 1259 00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:05,920 then eric and then we'll pick up with 1260 00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,560 you when we get back from ksc 1261 00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,400 marcia dennis associated press with two 1262 00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,319 questions for you mike um there's a 1263 00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,160 perception in the public out there i 1264 00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:16,240 think that i hear a lot is that u.s 1265 00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:17,599 human space flight is ending when the 1266 00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,560 shuttle retires and john just said that 1267 00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,240 the space station is going to be the new 1268 00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:24,720 cornerstone for nasa's human space 1269 00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:27,440 flight program so my question to you is 1270 00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:28,560 how do you 1271 00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,280 combat that perception that human space 1272 00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,160 flight is ending in another couple weeks 1273 00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,800 and do you plan to make any adjustments 1274 00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:38,400 to 1275 00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:40,240 the way the space station is uh 1276 00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:41,520 presented 1277 00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,040 to the public to try to counter that 1278 00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,880 well first of all i hope to see all you 1279 00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:48,400 guys at our press conferences because 1280 00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:50,720 we'll still have them and just because 1281 00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,280 the wing guy's not flying i hope you 1282 00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,440 guys will come because 1283 00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,119 you know things are going to happen on 1284 00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,280 board iss i i can't do anything 1285 00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,440 differently operationally but we have 1286 00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,520 tried very hard to begin communicating 1287 00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:05,920 the the we've always tried to 1288 00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:07,119 communicate but we're doing things 1289 00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,800 different i think the national lab is 1290 00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,000 going to make a big difference we're 1291 00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,240 really reaching out to a broader uh 1292 00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,240 community and it's a community that 1293 00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:16,319 expects in a lot of cases national lab 1294 00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:17,359 efforts 1295 00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:20,319 to 1296 00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:23,920 benefit 1297 00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:26,319 human humanity i mean they want to make 1298 00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,760 money but they're it's going to you're 1299 00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,280 going to read more about it so i think 1300 00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,960 that's going to help 1301 00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:32,960 fuel the system we we still have many 1302 00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:35,520 launches all of which tend to get a lot 1303 00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,480 of attention the the launches themselves 1304 00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,240 i would expect that the first few 1305 00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,400 commercial cargo flights will will have 1306 00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,880 a lot of attention 1307 00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,880 the commercial crew discussion is uh 1308 00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:48,160 something we've defined all the 1309 00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,359 requirements for the commercial crew 1310 00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:51,280 vehicle now we're a big part of that so 1311 00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,880 i think that'll help 1312 00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,640 um but 1313 00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,800 we we do need help explaining to people 1314 00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,720 the significance of this and i think 1315 00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,720 when we start focusing on utilization 1316 00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:03,200 and spend more time on utilization 1317 00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,560 and bring more 1318 00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,520 more folks to iss to to utilize it 1319 00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,319 it'll it'll sort of self-evolve because 1320 00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,640 of the interest you know ams i expect 1321 00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,720 those guys are going to come out of the 1322 00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,880 woodwork one day and tell us exciting 1323 00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:18,640 stuff it takes time to collect the data 1324 00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,359 so 1325 00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,440 you know we don't we don't talk much 1326 00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:23,599 about it but you expect exciting things 1327 00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:24,640 there 1328 00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,960 created for salmonella it's it's 1329 00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,800 only a matter of time based on research 1330 00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,240 done on on 1331 00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,079 iss they're the same guys that turn 1332 00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,720 their attention to uh 1333 00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:39,119 to the msra it's called it's a 1334 00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:41,040 staphylococcus 1335 00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,119 that you get is often you find them in 1336 00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,440 hospitals very hard to combat 1337 00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,839 uh we also have high hopes of solving 1338 00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,680 that because of the 1339 00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,960 the microgravity environment 1340 00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,720 pharmaceuticals in general i think will 1341 00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,640 benefit 1342 00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:57,119 so 1343 00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,400 you know if we're not going to get the 1344 00:47:00,950 --> 00:47:00,000 same press we're not going to get the 1345 00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,960 same 1346 00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,119 interest but if we keep station fully 1347 00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:06,000 utilized uh and we we keep folks coming 1348 00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,040 and going 1349 00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:09,200 uh and and utilizing for what it's what 1350 00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,720 it's supposed to be utilized for them 1351 00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,960 then i think it over time it will become 1352 00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,319 more obvious 1353 00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,079 but that's that's the way we have to do 1354 00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,560 it we have to get it fully utilized and 1355 00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:20,800 as long as it's always being utilized to 1356 00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,240 its fullest extent for the benefit of of 1357 00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,880 the us and our partners then i think 1358 00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,920 uh 1359 00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,680 it won't matter if we 1360 00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:31,280 if we got a lot of press every day or 1361 00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,720 whether we got a little bit just as long 1362 00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,160 as we got enough to make sure that we 1363 00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:36,880 were utilizing it to the benefit of all 1364 00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,680 so and there's when what john said i i 1365 00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,359 believe of course of course i do i'm the 1366 00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:43,440 isis program manager but it is the 1367 00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,640 cornerstone it's not just the 1368 00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,000 cornerstone because it's the only thing 1369 00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:48,640 that that uh from a human space flight 1370 00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,839 that nasa's operating in in uh in orbit 1371 00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:52,800 um 1372 00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:54,880 but the partnership itself is going to 1373 00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:57,040 be how we do exploration and we will do 1374 00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,480 exploration it will take us some time 1375 00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,800 but we're going to do human exploration 1376 00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:02,640 and and the only way we'll be able to do 1377 00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,160 it is with the partners we none of us 1378 00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,160 have enough money to do it nor should we 1379 00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,880 do it i i believe we shouldn't do it 1380 00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:10,480 as individual countries i think there's 1381 00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,349 doing this together and so the 1382 00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,599 partnership that we we established with 1383 00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:19,440 the iss taught us quite a bit about how 1384 00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,400 to work together 1385 00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,559 and that's that sounds simple that is 1386 00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,800 incredibly difficult 1387 00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,119 just to know how just to feel safe that 1388 00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,800 the way they build hardware or the way 1389 00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:30,480 they operate is going to be something 1390 00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,520 you can 1391 00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:33,359 can lean on in the future you got to 1392 00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,720 discover that together in low earth 1393 00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:36,000 orbit you can't discover that when 1394 00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:37,440 you're between here and mars somewhere 1395 00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,520 and figure out that you guessed wrong so 1396 00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:41,599 so this partnership is critical to our 1397 00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,640 future 1398 00:48:46,829 --> 00:48:44,880 uh so so while iss is going to play a 1399 00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:46,839 role in technology development for 1400 00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,079 exploration um and and maybe a departure 1401 00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:52,800 point who knows how we end up operating 1402 00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,760 uh the probably the biggest gain will be 1403 00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:57,119 the fact that we have a relationship 1404 00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:58,960 with the partnerships partners that we 1405 00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,440 know how to build spacecraft and fly 1406 00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:03,599 together and we'll do that together 1407 00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,910 eric berger with the houston chronicle 1408 00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:12,240 question for john shannon um there's 1409 00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,520 obviously going to be a lot of eyes on 1410 00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,960 your launch 1411 00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:16,400 and the 1412 00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,599 coast of florida is going to be pretty 1413 00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:19,359 busy does that create any unique 1414 00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,200 challenges all of the attention all of 1415 00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,800 the people in the area 1416 00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,280 on launch day concerns about making sure 1417 00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,359 employees get to work on time or are 1418 00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,119 there any complications associated with 1419 00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,680 that that you're planning for 1420 00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:33,920 well we've uh we've faced at the last uh 1421 00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:37,200 the last few launches um 1422 00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:39,760 you know we'll just see how it goes 1423 00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,640 if we end up scrubbing on july 8th 1424 00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,640 depending on when we you know would have 1425 00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,720 the scrub we'll decide uh whether we're 1426 00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,960 going to do a 24 or a 48 hour turnaround 1427 00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,640 based on traffic 1428 00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,400 we do expect a significant number of 1429 00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,400 people you know being summer vacation in 1430 00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,640 the last flight and there's a lot of 1431 00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,960 excitement down in florida to do that 1432 00:50:00,950 --> 00:50:00,079 um 1433 00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,960 you know 1434 00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,800 if we'll deal with traffic and we'll 1435 00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,960 deal with when's the right time to bring 1436 00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:06,640 the team in um 1437 00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,760 it doesn't make sense to make the 1438 00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:09,119 decision now because you'll look at 1439 00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,720 weather and other things we can't 1440 00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:12,960 predict at this point from a team 1441 00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,599 standpoint though 1442 00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,880 there's no difference in the way we're 1443 00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,559 going to operate in the way we're going 1444 00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,319 to address 1445 00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:23,520 risks or problems or anything else 1446 00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,960 you know there was some speculation that 1447 00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,040 that we would feel pressure with with 1448 00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,319 the president and his family coming down 1449 00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:32,800 a couple tries ago and and having 1450 00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,680 it was predicted 750 000 people and 1451 00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:37,440 and you just don't feel any of that 1452 00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:40,000 inside the launch control center at all 1453 00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,680 we ended up scrubbing for uh for a 1454 00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,680 redundant heater on a tripoli redundant 1455 00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,680 system but it was the right call to make 1456 00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,680 because if if we'd lost the other heater 1457 00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:49,920 you potentially could put the crew into 1458 00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,880 into a bad position during re-entry and 1459 00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,559 you know i that that's just the way the 1460 00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,800 team has learned to operate it's part of 1461 00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:58,559 a few questions ago we were talking 1462 00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,440 about 1463 00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,760 you know the the 1464 00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,599 not as obvious legacies of the shuttle 1465 00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:04,960 program that's another one of them you 1466 00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:08,240 know is that uh that despite being in a 1467 00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:09,200 in a 1468 00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,079 you and and 1469 00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:15,760 and not just second-guessing what you do 1470 00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:18,319 but second-guessing what you might do 1471 00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,000 you know the team operates extremely 1472 00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:22,480 well and and extremely safely and has 1473 00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:24,319 developed a set of operating criteria 1474 00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:26,319 and rules that they follow uh to the 1475 00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,359 letter and uh i just think uh that when 1476 00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:31,200 we get there on launch day we'll be in 1477 00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,880 the control center working any issues 1478 00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,040 that come up and and what goes on 1479 00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:36,960 outside is uh is not going to play any 1480 00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,430 okay let's see let's get marsha's 1481 00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,200 follow-up back on the front row and then 1482 00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,880 we're going to go to ksc 1483 00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:46,800 quick easy question mike all the food 1484 00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:48,160 that's going up 1485 00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,680 it's been described as a year's worth of 1486 00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,599 food is it all american food and i'm 1487 00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:53,599 assuming it all has an expiration date 1488 00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:56,000 of 12 months or how does or is it a 1489 00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:58,000 combination of international type things 1490 00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:59,200 let's see the 1491 00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:02,000 mplm is about a third full with few with 1492 00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,760 food alone it doesn't quite get us to 1493 00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:05,200 the end of the year so we're flying food 1494 00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,040 on the atvs in hdd as well but the 1495 00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,880 combination gets us 1496 00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,319 at least a year yeah they have 1497 00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,400 expiration dates it's not it's not 1498 00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:14,880 always a year just depends on what the 1499 00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,119 food is the expiration dates are very 1500 00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:19,119 conservative so occasionally we we can 1501 00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:20,880 go beyond the expiration date we talk 1502 00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:22,880 about it before we do that but 1503 00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:24,640 but none of our food's going to expire 1504 00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:27,359 in that period that we're on orbit so 1505 00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:29,119 we protected for that we eat you know 1506 00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:30,559 first food that comes up gets eaten 1507 00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:33,280 first and and this will be eaten at the 1508 00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:34,880 end of 2012 and the expiration date 1509 00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,710 oh yes it's uh yeah we're carrying all 1510 00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,319 u.s food the russians take all their 1511 00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:44,480 food up on progresses and and if we 1512 00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:46,160 carry u.s food for russians so the 1513 00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:47,440 russians are allowed to eat our food and 1514 00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,960 we're allowed to eat their food but our 1515 00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,440 agreement is we fly it up on our own 1516 00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:53,359 vehicles because it's just 1517 00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,800 they have to accommodate the up mass but 1518 00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:56,480 it's easier than shipping it to another 1519 00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,960 country and then flying 1520 00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,640 okay let's go down to the kennedy space 1521 00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:02,559 center in florida for a couple of 1522 00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:04,000 questions down there and then we'll be 1523 00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:11,109 hi it's james dean from florida today 1524 00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:14,240 uh john you mentioned earlier back in 1525 00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:16,160 like the january time frame working 1526 00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:17,119 under some 1527 00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:18,640 tight budget constraints i just wondered 1528 00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,839 if you could 1529 00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:21,280 could touch on the 1530 00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,559 the budget 1531 00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:24,720 situation a little bit in terms of 1532 00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,680 um is that why you you know really had 1533 00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:29,599 to go fly now i know at one point we 1534 00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,880 were talking about 1535 00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:32,800 um obviously you would think flying as 1536 00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:34,640 late as possible would be to everyone's 1537 00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,680 benefit 1538 00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,000 um but is that you know why you're going 1539 00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,160 now we've been told that you know if if 1540 00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,319 there for some reason had to be an 1541 00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:44,000 extended slip you could handle that but 1542 00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:46,160 you know where do you stand in terms of 1543 00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:47,839 money and is that what's driving your 1544 00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,359 your schedule right now 1545 00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,359 sure um 1546 00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,520 well you know you talked about january 1547 00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:55,040 and in january there were just a lot of 1548 00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:56,800 unknowns 1549 00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,400 we didn't know at the time 1550 00:54:04,390 --> 00:53:59,839 how 1551 00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:04,400 going to delay us 1552 00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,680 we didn't know if we were going to bring 1553 00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,440 a significant number of workforce back 1554 00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:09,359 on 1555 00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:10,480 we were 1556 00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:11,680 just 1557 00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:14,000 getting through 1558 00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:15,520 trying to understand 1559 00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:18,079 the budgetary impact of the layoffs that 1560 00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:19,359 we had 1561 00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:21,839 late last year 1562 00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,599 you know back when we were fully 1563 00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,119 operating in the shuttle program and 1564 00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:27,440 producing and integrating and moving 1565 00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:29,280 things across country 1566 00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,280 we ran at about 200 million dollars a 1567 00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,880 month 1568 00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,800 after the layoffs and when we just went 1569 00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:36,480 down to a sustaining engineering and 1570 00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:39,440 operations team we were at around 115 1571 00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:40,960 million dollars a month but we hadn't 1572 00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:43,920 really realized that yet we we hadn't 1573 00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:46,720 we expected that but but but seeing it 1574 00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,280 as you were as you were going through 1575 00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:51,280 the month by month budget review and 1576 00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:53,440 making sure that was true was uh 1577 00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,960 was important 1578 00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:56,640 so there were a lot of unknowns in in 1579 00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,799 january and 1580 00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:00,319 and we hit our budget targets we 1581 00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,680 actually were under our budget targets 1582 00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:03,359 every month 1583 00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:07,200 resolved the external tank issue we got 1584 00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,000 permission through the administration 1585 00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:12,559 and in the congress through through the 1586 00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:14,720 authorization bill 1587 00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:17,680 to go fly 135 it was contingent on some 1588 00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,640 safety reviews we did those and and they 1589 00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:22,319 were accepted 1590 00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:25,040 so it all all just kind of came together 1591 00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,880 we're still running it at a pretty low 1592 00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:28,000 rate 1593 00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,359 with the program 1594 00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,760 and even with all of our tnr activities 1595 00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:33,359 and a lot of severance that has been 1596 00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:34,559 paid out 1597 00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:35,920 we're still 1598 00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,400 under you know under about 140 million 1599 00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,319 dollars a month and that's pretty 1600 00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,400 remarkable so i think we're in great 1601 00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:44,480 shape all the way to 1602 00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:45,359 probably 1603 00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,640 uh september time frame we could we 1604 00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,960 could delay out to that that as far but 1605 00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,559 if we did that we would be taking money 1606 00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,240 away from the transition and retirement 1607 00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:55,760 activities 1608 00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,520 which you do have to fund at some point 1609 00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,119 which would take away from some future 1610 00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,440 activities so the sooner we can can get 1611 00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,520 this flight flown and button up the 1612 00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,440 program and uh 1613 00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,599 and uh and start on our transition 1614 00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:09,839 retirement activities the the better off 1615 00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:17,430 agency thanks and 1616 00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,240 um just regarding the uh the shuttle 1617 00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,559 retirement happening now 1618 00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,799 um we we know of course the shuttles 1619 00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:27,119 could fly many more missions but 1620 00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,240 uh you know 1621 00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,240 station assembly its primary mission is 1622 00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:32,160 complete 1623 00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:34,079 i'm not sure what 1624 00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:35,520 the shuttle might do 1625 00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,880 moving forward if you were able to 1626 00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:39,040 continue flying other than running mplms 1627 00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,400 and that sort of stuff 1628 00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:42,640 back and forth 1629 00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:43,760 i just wondered if you could speak a 1630 00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:45,520 little bit to um do you think it's 1631 00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,160 appropriate to stop flying now because 1632 00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:50,880 you've essentially completed the mission 1633 00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:52,240 or 1634 00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,599 could you come up with lots of things to 1635 00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,359 do if you had that opportunity to keep 1636 00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:57,200 going 1637 00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:58,720 i can always come up with lots of things 1638 00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,359 to do with the shuttle um 1639 00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:03,040 i think that's what we would 1640 00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,960 that was the proposal that when we were 1641 00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:06,880 kind of knocking around 1642 00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,760 um shuttle retirement and what's next 1643 00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:11,119 you know and the thought was that you 1644 00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,480 would you would fly it twice a year 1645 00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,040 to provide the the logistics supply 1646 00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,400 chain to um to the iss you know now we 1647 00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,760 have a 1648 00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:23,680 at least in development is a 1649 00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:26,880 multinational redundant logistics supply 1650 00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:27,839 chain 1651 00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,119 going to iss which i think is is is 1652 00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:33,520 pretty strong and having the shuttle go 1653 00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,960 away is is causing it to get even more 1654 00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:38,559 scrutiny to make sure that it's going to 1655 00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:39,280 be 1656 00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,839 sufficient 1657 00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:43,599 you know james the the bottom line is 1658 00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,200 there's not enough money 1659 00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:47,280 would i like to fly shuttle two times a 1660 00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,559 year to go 1661 00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,880 ensure that iss was in the best possible 1662 00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:52,640 shape or maybe go back up to hubble 1663 00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:55,040 again or maybe do who knows what 1664 00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,880 sure you know i think it's a it's a 1665 00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,880 national capability 1666 00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:00,720 that we're losing 1667 00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,200 but again you weigh that against you've 1668 00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,200 done what you set out to do with the 1669 00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,760 shuttle we we got hubble in extremely 1670 00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:10,160 good shape we've got iss in extremely 1671 00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,309 now we have other areas coming up to to 1672 00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:18,000 take over the leo functions that the 1673 00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,520 shuttle did 1674 00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:21,280 we can take that money and i think just 1675 00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:24,079 as importantly take that workforce 1676 00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:25,920 and apply it to 1677 00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:28,960 the next leading edge and expand the the 1678 00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:31,200 sphere of operations that 1679 00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,559 that we 1680 00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,640 we do in human space flight and i think 1681 00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,640 that is extremely important 1682 00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:37,920 and what we're doing is we're 1683 00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:40,799 sacrificing the shuttle uh to enable us 1684 00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:43,760 to be able to to take that next step and 1685 00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,640 um 1686 00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:46,880 if we were going to retire the shuttle 1687 00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,720 this is the time to do it uh it is 1688 00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:52,480 the isis couldn't be in better shape i 1689 00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:53,839 think than it is right now we're pretty 1690 00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:55,200 much out of volume we're gonna we're 1691 00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,640 gonna pack it full 1692 00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:58,319 uh before we're done 1693 00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:59,599 and uh 1694 00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:01,119 and while we can always come up with 1695 00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,160 other missions it's uh it's an okay time 1696 00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,319 and uh and i think that that we're gonna 1697 00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,240 just expand the breadth of things that 1698 00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,559 that we do as a nation and as an 1699 00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,880 international partner and uh so that's 1700 00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:14,480 that's kind of how i came to peace with 1701 00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:15,920 the with all the decisions that were 1702 00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:23,510 uh todd halverson of florida today uh 1703 00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:27,440 for one or both of the uh gentlemen um 1704 00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:29,599 i'm thinking back over the assembly 1705 00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:35,119 period and uh the 159 or 160 spacewalks 1706 00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:36,559 that were 1707 00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,319 completed in the assembly and 1708 00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,480 maintenance of the station and of course 1709 00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,799 we have the last one last spacewalker 1710 00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:44,559 the shuttle era coming up on this 1711 00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:46,559 mission 1712 00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:48,880 i'm wondering what you 1713 00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,480 would uh 1714 00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,559 what you would pick out as the most 1715 00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:55,040 significant problems encountered 1716 00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,000 during 1717 01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:58,400 spacewalking assembly and and i'm 1718 01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:01,040 wondering if you're surprised that there 1719 01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:04,559 are so few to point to 1720 01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,040 yeah todd i tell you the um 1721 01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:09,599 if you go back to the 1722 01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,240 early 90s time frame 1723 01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:14,640 it was uh 1724 01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:17,760 it was pretty intimidating um when we 1725 01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:19,359 looked at how in the world we were going 1726 01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,799 to assemble 1727 01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:22,240 the iss 1728 01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:23,760 and the number of evas that were 1729 01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:25,599 required and we referred to that you all 1730 01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:27,760 know as the eva wall you know this wall 1731 01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:29,680 of evas that we would have to do and 1732 01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,119 they would have to be successful in 1733 01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:32,880 order for the iss to be a functioning 1734 01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,240 vehicle 1735 01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:35,839 and so we started doing some tests in 1736 01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,559 the payload bay before iss was ever 1737 01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:40,319 the first element had ever been launched 1738 01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:41,040 and 1739 01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:51,920 those that test program that we did i 1740 01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,880 think really helped us understand 1741 01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:56,480 a lot of different design features that 1742 01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:59,280 we would need to to make sure were were 1743 01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,599 included in the iss design 1744 01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:04,079 and uh you know we had the the brand new 1745 01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:07,280 uh nbl out at sunny carter training 1746 01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,799 facility that 1747 01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:11,200 that uh we started using and in 1748 01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:12,720 practicing and 1749 01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:15,359 you know to do a space walk is not well 1750 01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,720 let's put on our suit and go outside and 1751 01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:18,480 figure out where our tools are i mean it 1752 01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:20,799 is incredibly choreographed incredibly 1753 01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:21,920 scripted 1754 01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:22,880 um 1755 01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:25,200 and and that is why and i think this is 1756 01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:27,200 just a nasa thing right is that we 1757 01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,520 practice a lot we practice everything a 1758 01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,920 whole lot and we practice contingencies 1759 01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:33,599 a lot and we we think really hard about 1760 01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:35,280 what could go wrong and then we practice 1761 01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,799 on those things and we think about the 1762 01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:38,079 next thing that could go wrong and 1763 01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,160 practice those that's why the evas and 1764 01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:42,000 the spacewalks were successful 1765 01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,000 when i look at it now you know iss is 1766 01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:46,319 enormous it is so big 1767 01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:47,359 and if you look at some of the 1768 01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,200 translation paths they are just going 1769 01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:51,599 and going and going we never 1770 01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:53,040 really had to deal with that of course 1771 01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:54,960 with the with the the shuttle payload 1772 01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:56,319 bay right you're not translating very 1773 01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,760 far and if you have to go very far you 1774 01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:59,440 use the arm to take you there 1775 01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:01,680 um that was the thing that i think just 1776 01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:04,079 amazed me and as we started to do that 1777 01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:05,359 we found out we had a problem with our 1778 01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:06,880 gloves 1779 01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:09,359 that whether from micrometeoroid hits or 1780 01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:10,880 other sharp edges or something else we 1781 01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:12,319 were getting some cuts in the gloves 1782 01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:14,880 which really alarmed us and very quickly 1783 01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:16,720 the team was able to turn around and 1784 01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:19,359 reinforce critical areas in those gloves 1785 01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:21,359 and we went from having a major problem 1786 01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:23,039 that we were really concerned about to 1787 01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:24,799 uh to something that we don't even hear 1788 01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:28,319 about anymore um so i think the key to 1789 01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:31,599 the space walks and the in the uh 1790 01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:33,920 what has been done 1791 01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:35,680 to make sure they're all successful is 1792 01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:38,720 just preparation it just absolute 1793 01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:40,160 100 1794 01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:42,160 preparation to to get ready to think 1795 01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:42,960 about 1796 01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:47,599 it because we debrief quite a bit after 1797 01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,760 each flight after each spacewalk learn 1798 01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:51,680 what went well what did not go well and 1799 01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:54,160 then go modify what you do the next time 1800 01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:57,280 and that continuous learning behavior 1801 01:03:01,190 --> 01:03:00,240 i think is uh is key to it that and and 1802 01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:01,200 just 1803 01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:11,670 uh thanks and um i'm wondering uh 1804 01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:12,720 people 1805 01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:15,920 after we'll stop on this mission are 1806 01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:18,559 obviously going to look back and 1807 01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:24,309 inevitably be some folks who ask the 1808 01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,119 question was the shuttle program 1809 01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,520 worth it was 1810 01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:31,280 it worked doing all of these flights to 1811 01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:34,240 build the space station and uh was the 1812 01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:36,799 shuttle program worth the expense that 1813 01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:39,760 uh the american taxpayers uh put into it 1814 01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,400 and i'm wondering what your answer would 1815 01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:44,880 be to that question 1816 01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:47,680 yeah i think todd that's a very valuable 1817 01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,480 uh 1818 01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:50,559 thing to ask about any endeavor right is 1819 01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,839 when you when you look back at it 1820 01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:53,440 because that's how you learn and you can 1821 01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:54,720 modify maybe what you're going to do 1822 01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:57,200 next time based on what you just learned 1823 01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:58,559 from this one 1824 01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:00,799 i think that you know the people that 1825 01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:02,559 don't like the shuttle and they're out 1826 01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:06,000 there um they'll go back to 1972 and say 1827 01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:07,760 you know wow you guys said you would you 1828 01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:09,520 know fly every week and it would be 1829 01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,359 regular access and it would cost i don't 1830 01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,200 know what what the number is but 1831 01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,599 a very low amount of dollars to go fly a 1832 01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:17,760 flight you guys didn't make that so the 1833 01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:20,000 30 years of shuttle operations was was a 1834 01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:21,359 failure and 1835 01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:23,039 that's ridiculous 1836 01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:24,720 you know the shuttle 1837 01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:26,480 that may have been the initial thought 1838 01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:28,960 but to have that thought after 30 1839 01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:31,039 flights human space flights for the 1840 01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:32,000 nation 1841 01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:34,799 we were not in a position to to say that 1842 01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:36,000 that was something that we thought we 1843 01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:40,309 i think it would it would be very naive 1844 01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:42,000 to do that after such a limited amount 1845 01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:43,760 of experience 1846 01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:45,440 what the shuttle was 1847 01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:48,559 is it was an unbelievable learning tool 1848 01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:52,400 and we were able to to take this vehicle 1849 01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:55,039 that is incredibly capable you can do 1850 01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:57,039 robotics you can do spacewalks you can 1851 01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:58,559 do payload deploys you need payload 1852 01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,240 retrieves you can do earth observation 1853 01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:02,319 you can do science laboratories on and 1854 01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,400 on um 1855 01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:06,319 we were able to learn how to do all 1856 01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:08,079 those different kinds of activities in 1857 01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:10,079 in low earth orbit we were able to learn 1858 01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:11,520 how to keep people 1859 01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,799 healthy 1860 01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:14,640 things like space adaptation syndrome 1861 01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:16,240 which was a big problem in the in the 1862 01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:18,160 early shuttle flights you don't hear 1863 01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:20,000 about it much anymore 1864 01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:21,839 different things like bone loss you know 1865 01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:23,680 on iss they're doing the things required 1866 01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:24,400 to 1867 01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:34,880 shuttle was amazing and we built this 1868 01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:37,119 tremendous body of knowledge 1869 01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,760 in how to not just get off planet earth 1870 01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:41,520 but once you're off planet earth how to 1871 01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:44,240 operate in that environment and uh and 1872 01:05:49,750 --> 01:05:45,920 so now you know 1873 01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:49,760 the if i i can't put a dollar 1874 01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:51,440 value on that 1875 01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,079 national capability on that 1876 01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:56,720 uh that body of knowledge 1877 01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:59,280 we have it now and and now we need to 1878 01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:01,359 make sure that we use it and that we 1879 01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:04,160 move forward and our next programs build 1880 01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:07,119 on that body of knowledge for beyond low 1881 01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:08,960 earth orbit activities 1882 01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,760 so 1883 01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:11,520 you know how do you put a how do you put 1884 01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:12,640 a dollar 1885 01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:15,359 amount on something that is priceless in 1886 01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:17,680 my mind and that is 1887 01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:19,680 what we have learned over doing shuttle 1888 01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,520 operations for 30 years 1889 01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:23,520 we've matured as a space program we've 1890 01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:25,599 matured as a as a nation in how to go 1891 01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:28,480 into space what to expect in space 1892 01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:30,000 even if you take something as 1893 01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:32,799 devastating as the accidents 1894 01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:34,400 what did we learn out of that well we 1895 01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:35,280 learned 1896 01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:39,440 problems that you have to go back and 1897 01:06:42,789 --> 01:06:40,960 look at flight history and you have to 1898 01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:42,799 understand exactly what you have and 1899 01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:44,319 exactly what you're flying and we also 1900 01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:46,079 learn resilience i mean the worst thing 1901 01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:47,440 that could possibly happen to us 1902 01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:49,520 happened to us and we still picked 1903 01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:51,839 ourselves back up and fixed our problems 1904 01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:54,480 and had the courage to go fly again 1905 01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:56,079 those kind of things are priceless 1906 01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:58,160 learning how to do that as a nation is 1907 01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:01,119 is incredibly important and now we're 1908 01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:03,520 going to take this team that has has 1909 01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:05,280 performed so well 1910 01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:07,359 and we're going to move into the next 1911 01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,200 sphere of operations and i think we'll 1912 01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:11,440 be just as successful 1913 01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:14,319 in in those activities 1914 01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,760 okay we're back here for the time we 1915 01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:17,520 have available we'll run the rest of the 1916 01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,960 questions across the front we'll start 1917 01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:20,640 with mark 1918 01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,119 mark kirkman interspace news um i don't 1919 01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:25,200 normally ask the non-technical feeling 1920 01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:27,039 questions but i got a couple of them uh 1921 01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:28,559 first for john 1922 01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:30,079 if i remember correctly there's only 1923 01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:32,160 been seven or eight program managers and 1924 01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:33,440 i was just wondering if you can reflect 1925 01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,160 on 1926 01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:36,480 being the caretaker here at the end of 1927 01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:38,640 the shuttle program and maybe how that 1928 01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:40,000 squares with your thoughts when you 1929 01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:42,319 first walked in the door as a new hire 1930 01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:44,640 and then my second question is i mean 1931 01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:47,039 tomorrow i guess is the last ascent sim 1932 01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:48,880 for the crew and then the shuttle 1933 01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,200 simulator essentially becomes a museum 1934 01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:53,760 piece or a toy and after wheel stop the 1935 01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:55,599 the flicker becomes 1936 01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:56,880 i don't know what you're planning to do 1937 01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:58,640 with the fake car just if both of you 1938 01:08:02,309 --> 01:08:00,240 can reflect on kind of the mood around 1939 01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,319 here i'm not here all the time 1940 01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:04,079 but i certainly remember how things used 1941 01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:06,799 to be and the parking lot looks emptier 1942 01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:08,960 the the cafeteria is emptier i was just 1943 01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:11,200 wondering is that your observation and 1944 01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:12,720 how what your thoughts might be on those 1945 01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:15,680 for from both you on that one thank you 1946 01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:17,920 yeah um okay 1947 01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:19,279 i think they're i'm going to take three 1948 01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:22,719 questions out and the the first was um 1949 01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:24,400 number programming i think we've had 11 1950 01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:26,400 program managers i haven't counted but i 1951 01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:29,520 i get advice from from them occasionally 1952 01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:32,880 i i have not had much time 1953 01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,560 to just sit back and reflect on it 1954 01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:38,640 i do feel pressure 1955 01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,600 that uh we have to preserve the legacy 1956 01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:43,920 that those guys have have 1957 01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:46,239 have built for us 1958 01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:49,120 it's been an amazing run over 30 years 1959 01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:51,279 and i just i want to end the program 1960 01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,440 right you know and i think that's the 1961 01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:55,759 whole shuttle leadership team 1962 01:09:01,749 --> 01:08:58,880 um they really want to end it right 1963 01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,269 incredibly unfortunate to have ended the 1964 01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:05,120 program after columbia and have all the 1965 01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:06,400 things that the shuttle program had done 1966 01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:08,319 just be remembered by that i think 1967 01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:10,480 picking ourselves back up completing 1968 01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,080 station getting it 1969 01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:14,400 squared away getting hst squared away 1970 01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:16,480 we're on a great run here 1971 01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,080 and we need to just finish up really 1972 01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,400 strong and uh and that's 1973 01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,080 that's really my focus and the team's 1974 01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,640 focus is is you feel that you you you 1975 01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:26,480 know it's i don't know if you're ever on 1976 01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:28,880 a sports team or band or 1977 01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:31,040 or uh you know drama or whatever you 1978 01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,080 know and and if you come into uh 1979 01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:36,239 something with a legacy of extreme 1980 01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:38,159 success you feel pressured to keep that 1981 01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:39,440 string going you know and keep that 1982 01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:41,199 success going and and i think the team 1983 01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,719 feels that that's a very good motivator 1984 01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,560 though that's that's a good thing 1985 01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:46,080 um 1986 01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:48,960 it talked about uh the shuttle mission 1987 01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:51,199 simulator the motion base tomorrow's the 1988 01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:52,400 the last 1989 01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,360 uh set of ascents we hope um 1990 01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:57,840 uh and then we'll uh we'll shut it down 1991 01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:59,600 it's going to an unbelievably fine 1992 01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:01,199 institution 1993 01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,679 and uh and it will uh it will have a 1994 01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:05,280 great home there and we actually brought 1995 01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:08,400 some grad students from texas a m in and 1996 01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,560 let them fly it uh so that they could 1997 01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:12,320 see what what they were getting and 1998 01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:13,920 hopefully they'll be able to uh to put 1999 01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:16,480 it back together and and be able to 2000 01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:19,040 to use it as a teaching tool 2001 01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:20,560 um so 2002 01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:21,920 you know there's a lot of that going on 2003 01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:24,480 we're gonna we'll take the uh the full 2004 01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:26,480 fuselage trainer out of building nine 2005 01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:28,239 the crew compartment trainer the 2006 01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,600 simulators thing so things will be 2007 01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,679 emptying out 2008 01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,360 it's a little bit of a shock you know 2009 01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:35,440 because we've my whole career all that 2010 01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:37,440 has been here 2011 01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:38,640 but i think again you get the 2012 01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,480 determination and the motivation let's 2013 01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:42,080 fill it up with something else let's 2014 01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:43,679 fill it up with what the next program is 2015 01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:45,280 going to require 2016 01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:47,199 and uh and that that needs to be our 2017 01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:49,760 focus is not i it would be 2018 01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:52,320 i would be very upset if the 2019 01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,719 if the shuttle team uh went off and 2020 01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:56,159 their next activity was to plan our 2021 01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:57,760 one-year reunion you know we're playing 2022 01:11:01,750 --> 01:10:59,920 our five-year reunion or just you know 2023 01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:01,760 that is not what this these guys are all 2024 01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:03,440 about these guys are all about let's 2025 01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:04,880 let's quit talking about last and let's 2026 01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:07,040 talk about firsts or next you know and 2027 01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:09,520 that's that's the important piece of it 2028 01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:11,760 um jsc itself you talked about the the 2029 01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:13,600 cars um 2030 01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:16,239 jsc will get smaller uh already we're 2031 01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,800 we're a smaller center than we were two 2032 01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:20,800 major programs are going away 2033 01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:23,199 um but that's okay because i think as as 2034 01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:25,360 we get smaller we're able to focus a 2035 01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:26,719 little bit more to 2036 01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:27,600 and 2037 01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,719 are going to be required to enable that 2038 01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,960 next round of exploration so you know 2039 01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:34,800 it's it's you're going to have 2040 01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,239 cyclical employment based on the mission 2041 01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:40,800 we don't keep jobs here just to have 2042 01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:42,560 a certain number of jobs we keep jobs 2043 01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,760 here so that people can actually do 2044 01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:45,920 something and actually accomplish a 2045 01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:48,560 mission and as the mission focus becomes 2046 01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,560 more clear than the jobs that are 2047 01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:53,040 required to fulfill that mission focus 2048 01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:56,560 um uh will will appear and then then 2049 01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:59,760 we'll be we'll be rolling again 2050 01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:01,920 oh no he said it all 2051 01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:02,800 except 2052 01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,960 i didn't i car's here all the time i 2053 01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:06,560 thought the simulator was going to a m 2054 01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:14,390 phillips loss with nasaspaceflight.com 2055 01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:16,400 uh one for each of you uh first or mr 2056 01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,560 sufferdini um i understand the plan is 2057 01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:20,400 for the station altitude to be raised 2058 01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:22,800 again up to about 410 kilometers later 2059 01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:25,360 this year um is that the uh is that the 2060 01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:26,960 altitude that the station's going to be 2061 01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:30,480 maintained at for the for the near term 2062 01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:32,080 yeah for the next little while that's 2063 01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:33,679 where it'll be we're we're on the 2064 01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,840 upswing of the solar cycle which 2065 01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:37,600 increases drag and so we have to raise 2066 01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,040 the altitude 2067 01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:41,280 to protect for the prop but it's an 2068 01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:42,800 interesting problem that we're working 2069 01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:44,080 over the next 2070 01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:46,960 10 years through 2020 we're trying to 2071 01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:49,120 we have a certain amount of prop that 2072 01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:50,640 that both ourselves and our russian 2073 01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:53,520 colleagues are obligated to fly 2074 01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:54,880 and we want to make sure the tanks are 2075 01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,719 full at the end of 2020 in case we 2076 01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,199 extend the life of iss 2077 01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:01,360 we would like to fly lower because the 2078 01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,640 mmod environment's a little less 2079 01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:06,239 at the lower altitudes all of our 2080 01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:08,080 analysis always assumed we'd be at the 2081 01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:10,480 higher altitudes so we'll be at 410 for 2082 01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,600 a while 2083 01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:13,440 and then we'll come down and probably 2084 01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:16,640 manage ourselves around 400 kilometers 2085 01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:21,350 did you have a follow-up phil let's 2086 01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:24,000 let's get a follow-up from phillip uh 2087 01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,600 back here 2088 01:13:29,910 --> 01:13:27,360 and then 2089 01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:29,920 for mr shannon um 2090 01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,640 just a clarification is the the usa 2091 01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:34,640 commercial shuttle proposal completely 2092 01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,440 off the table at this point 2093 01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:39,120 um you know 2094 01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:41,120 i have not been 2095 01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:44,400 very heavily involved in that whole 2096 01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:47,679 proposal or discussion i'm aware of it 2097 01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,520 um 2098 01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,120 so the answer to the question is i don't 2099 01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:54,000 know um i 2100 01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:55,520 don't know the status of it what i do 2101 01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:57,199 know is that 2102 01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:59,199 we're not going to release 2103 01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:01,199 endeavor 2104 01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,880 for 2105 01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:04,400 unrecoverable 2106 01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:06,640 actions 2107 01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,239 in its 2108 01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:10,480 retirement processing 2109 01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:12,320 until we get the get a letter from 2110 01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:14,480 headquarters to do so we've done a lot 2111 01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:15,920 of work just all the down mission 2112 01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:19,600 processing we've removed the forward rcs 2113 01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:21,360 i think we're about to remove the open 2114 01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:23,920 pods if we haven't done that already 2115 01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:25,760 but we're not doing taking any action 2116 01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:27,440 that's unrecoverable until headquarters 2117 01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:28,400 tells us 2118 01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:30,000 to do that that's a little different 2119 01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,520 than discovery with discovery we just 2120 01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:33,360 rolled right into it 2121 01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:34,960 and that 2122 01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:37,360 is because headquarters i think is 2123 01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:39,199 letting all of the 2124 01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:41,440 the commercial shuttle discussions 2125 01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,960 complete before we would take those 2126 01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:44,640 actions 2127 01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,760 we're not really ready to do 2128 01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:47,280 unrecoverable actions yet anyway so it's 2129 01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,640 not going to cost us any additional 2130 01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,560 money when we're ready to do that then 2131 01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:52,560 we'll have the the real 2132 01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:54,080 in-depth discussions with headquarters 2133 01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:55,280 to make sure hey we're going to go do 2134 01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:57,199 this and and get there okay and then 2135 01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:03,189 jim yeah jim oberger nbc for questions 2136 01:15:07,350 --> 01:15:04,640 for each of you but for john first of 2137 01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:07,360 all as atlantis gets ready to depart the 2138 01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:09,040 station how thoroughly will it be 2139 01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:11,280 cannibalized for anything that can be 2140 01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:13,120 taken on board the station 2141 01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:15,199 and does that include possibly things on 2142 01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,440 on it such as the spacesuits that may 2143 01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:19,360 they they have to go home with them but 2144 01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:21,040 with spacesuit components perhaps we 2145 01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:23,120 sent back up on on supply flights later 2146 01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:24,800 but how thoroughly will all those parts 2147 01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:25,600 be 2148 01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:28,320 cannibalized for to extend iss 2149 01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:31,280 um that's the nice part jim is that 2150 01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:32,960 we've had time to kind of think through 2151 01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,480 logistics on all the different 2152 01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:36,480 subsystems on on 2153 01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,280 on spacesuits and computers and cameras 2154 01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:41,679 and all the all the other stuff you know 2155 01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:43,600 and we've been able to put that into the 2156 01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:46,800 the logistics uh train here to to get it 2157 01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:48,960 on board so that we don't have to 2158 01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,080 have to do that um we put the the boom 2159 01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:54,560 on uh last flight you know that was and 2160 01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,320 and we're able to fly back home without 2161 01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,880 it we found out a way to do inspection 2162 01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:59,920 um 2163 01:16:02,470 --> 01:16:01,120 you know it always seems like every 2164 01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,480 flight there's a few things that maybe 2165 01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:04,560 we we toss across the hatch 2166 01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:08,800 that uh that the iss crew asks for but 2167 01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:10,239 remember we still have a mission to fly 2168 01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:12,239 after we undock we've got to go free 2169 01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:14,239 flight for a couple days do all of our 2170 01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:16,159 checkouts of systems or do our last 2171 01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:17,600 inspection 2172 01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:19,360 and we have to retain the capability of 2173 01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:21,679 doing a spacewalk if required to close 2174 01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:24,320 doors or bring in a ku antenna or if we 2175 01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:26,480 found some mmod damage to take care of 2176 01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:28,719 that so you know we have to keep the the 2177 01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:31,360 shuttle in a in a pretty robust 2178 01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,880 condition 2179 01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:34,560 as we leave iss 2180 01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:35,920 um i don't think there's a lot of things 2181 01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:37,120 they're gonna be asked for at the last 2182 01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:38,560 minute because we've had a couple years 2183 01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:44,550 you didn't need them to come home with 2184 01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:46,080 but there's pieces in the emu you might 2185 01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:47,840 want to put back up on the station we 2186 01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,080 have four on orbit okay 2187 01:16:54,870 --> 01:16:52,239 so we would they need theirs for their 2188 01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:54,880 payload bay door closure anomalies so uh 2189 01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:57,199 we we yeah we have plenty like john said 2190 01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:58,560 we have plenty of logistics on board 2191 01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,000 might be one or two things we asked for 2192 01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:02,400 but they'll be minor things 2193 01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:04,480 sometimes 2194 01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:06,320 once they're done this is just a joke i 2195 01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:08,239 have a more uh more touchy question for 2196 01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:09,760 you okay 2197 01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:11,600 we've been seeing a transition it's once 2198 01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:12,880 the shuttle has no longer been involved 2199 01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:14,000 in crew 2200 01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:16,000 swap on iss the transition of this of 2201 01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:18,560 the iss crew composition used to be 2202 01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,280 about 50 50 u.s and russian and it's now 2203 01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:23,280 settling into a three to two ratio three 2204 01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,719 russians and two americans it's been 2205 01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,560 that way since earlier last year it's 2206 01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:28,560 going to be that way for years to come 2207 01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:30,640 is that how did that change in 2208 01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,880 composition come about in the ratio and 2209 01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:35,040 was it was it because of the 2210 01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:36,159 shuttles 2211 01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:37,840 the end of the shuttle crew 2212 01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:44,310 i hadn't even thought about this uh jim 2213 01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:45,440 i i 2214 01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:49,280 when we talk about the us os that is the 2215 01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:50,640 that's the 2216 01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:55,440 partnership of esa jaxa csa and nasa 2217 01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:56,560 and 2218 01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:58,400 when we went down from four to three 2219 01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:00,719 crew it was understood that the russians 2220 01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:02,320 get three of those crew and the usos 2221 01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,640 gets three of those crew so by the 2222 01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,800 nature of the percentages that we owe 2223 01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:08,640 the partners to fly which you said is 2224 01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:10,880 exactly right we we generally have two 2225 01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:14,400 u.s one of the partners and and three 2226 01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,760 russians 2227 01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:17,280 although 2228 01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:19,440 a few increments ago we had four us os 2229 01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:21,760 crews and two russians so 2230 01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:24,080 but that's that's always been in in the 2231 01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:25,600 plan was 2232 01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,440 that was it was gonna be three russians 2233 01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:29,679 and uh three or four us os we're 2234 01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:32,159 prepared to go back to four of the 2235 01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:33,679 commercial vehicles in fact that's the 2236 01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:34,960 requirement we gave to the commercial 2237 01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:36,880 vehicles to be able to carry four crew 2238 01:18:41,669 --> 01:18:38,719 our systems are sized to have four crew 2239 01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:41,679 on the us os and at that point then 2240 01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,840 the u.s 2241 01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:45,600 crew opportunities will go up a little 2242 01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:46,719 bit 2243 01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:48,880 if and when that occurs but we're we've 2244 01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:51,760 always been been there 2245 01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:55,040 okay last question uh alan boyle from 2246 01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:57,040 msnbc just a couple of questions on 2247 01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:58,640 commercial operations 2248 01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:01,280 first for for john 2249 01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:03,040 are there any thoughts about how many 2250 01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:05,679 shuttle program workers either probably 2251 01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:07,280 civil servants 2252 01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:09,280 might go over to support commercial 2253 01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:11,840 operations somehow or other or 2254 01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:13,840 have you had any thoughts about 2255 01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:16,080 whether those people would go on to the 2256 01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,880 exploration program and then for mike it 2257 01:19:23,110 --> 01:19:20,640 sounds as if it's pretty sure that the 2258 01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:23,120 spacex demo flight will go all the way 2259 01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:26,719 to the space station uh perhaps probably 2260 01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:29,280 later this year uh maybe if you could 2261 01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:31,440 just characterize a little bit more what 2262 01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:32,800 the decision 2263 01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:34,880 timeline is it sounds like 2264 01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:36,880 the decision is pretty firm but if there 2265 01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:39,120 are other places that need to be put in 2266 01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:40,960 place maybe you could talk about that a 2267 01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:43,120 little bit 2268 01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:47,830 where are the 2269 01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:50,640 where is the workforce going on the on 2270 01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:51,360 the 2271 01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:53,040 contractor side i don't have as much 2272 01:19:56,950 --> 01:19:55,520 insight into that 2273 01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:56,960 you know because there's no reportables 2274 01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:58,560 to me on that but 2275 01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:01,440 um i will tell you that that 2276 01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:03,120 i talk to 2277 01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:05,120 companies you know the the bechtels and 2278 01:20:09,669 --> 01:20:07,440 the bps and the in the in the the 2279 01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:09,679 boeings and and uh 2280 01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:11,520 and uh chevrons and all the the 2281 01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:13,360 different ti's kind of companies so 2282 01:20:16,629 --> 01:20:15,679 across this incredible spectrum of 2283 01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,639 different 2284 01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:18,400 uh industries 2285 01:20:22,870 --> 01:20:20,320 they are all coming to the job fairs and 2286 01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:22,880 and they are all very uh interested in 2287 01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:25,040 the in the shuttle workforce because 2288 01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:27,760 this is a team that is uh they're good 2289 01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:29,520 at solving problems they are good at 2290 01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:31,920 working details and they've grown up in 2291 01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:32,960 a 2292 01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:45,440 workforce 2293 01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:47,760 they don't face the the layoffs the same 2294 01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:49,840 as those the contractors so they're 2295 01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:52,080 uh they're moved out into other areas 2296 01:20:56,629 --> 01:20:54,320 some are going into commercial crew and 2297 01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:56,639 cargo activities some are going over to 2298 01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:58,400 help mike some of them are going into 2299 01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,080 the new exploration program some of them 2300 01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,159 are going into into just engineering 2301 01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:04,639 programs 2302 01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:07,600 a number of folks have have left after 2303 01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:09,280 after their their shuttle activities 2304 01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:11,440 were done and they've gone into 2305 01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:14,480 petrochem in aviation and and in 2306 01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,400 medicine and and 2307 01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:18,480 and electronics uh 2308 01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:20,480 i.t kind of fields you know so i hear 2309 01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:22,639 back from all of them uh and 2310 01:21:26,629 --> 01:21:24,239 that's actually kind of kind of 2311 01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:26,639 interesting is as one person will go off 2312 01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:28,880 to another industry they come back and 2313 01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:30,880 grab like six of their best friends or 2314 01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:32,800 people they knew could really do the job 2315 01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,719 and then they bring them back in and so 2316 01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:36,320 the the shuttle workforce being 2317 01:21:40,629 --> 01:21:38,960 dispersed um it it's kind of the rising 2318 01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:40,639 tide floats all boats right there's a 2319 01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:41,840 lot of industries that are going to 2320 01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:43,199 benefit from 2321 01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:45,760 uh the the unbelievable workforce that 2322 01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:48,639 is uh is available to them and i'm i'll 2323 01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:50,159 just be kind of honest here you know 2324 01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:52,880 nasa when we're recruiting we kind of 2325 01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,400 get pick of the litter a lot of the 2326 01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,880 times in in colleges we get the best 2327 01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,560 kids you know and they're they come in 2328 01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:00,480 and they co-op or they they do summer 2329 01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:02,639 interns and they are unbelievable they 2330 01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:04,960 are so good uh you keep them here and 2331 01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:06,719 you grow them up in this in the culture 2332 01:22:10,790 --> 01:22:08,719 like i talked about even folks that 2333 01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:10,800 don't come to work immediately for nasa 2334 01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:12,880 they may go work for a contractor and 2335 01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:15,360 the ones that really are outstanding you 2336 01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:17,199 know a lot of times we'll hire them into 2337 01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:19,520 nasa so the quality of the people that 2338 01:22:26,470 --> 01:22:23,760 we have is uh is tremendous and as we as 2339 01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:26,480 we disperse them what what i see is that 2340 01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:29,199 we're gonna raise the uh the capability 2341 01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:30,960 and uh and uh 2342 01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,239 and uh 2343 01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:34,080 and how good those those different 2344 01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:35,440 industries are 2345 01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:43,590 some time ago we agreed with spacex that 2346 01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:45,199 they could uh 2347 01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:46,719 modify 2348 01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:49,440 well assume that the take the time to 2349 01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:52,400 build the dragon for d2 2350 01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:54,880 would be the same dragon as d3 so that 2351 01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:56,560 was that would be a schedule hit to him 2352 01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:57,760 to try to do that 2353 01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:59,360 but we agreed to that so they could be 2354 01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:01,280 on course for the combination of those 2355 01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:03,440 flights like i said this afternoon we 2356 01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:05,600 intend to have the meeting where we'll 2357 01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:08,239 we'll discuss in detail our 2358 01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:11,199 our perception of of what we may or may 2359 01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:12,480 not get 2360 01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:16,080 um if they uh try to if they could 2361 01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:17,440 try to combine flights and whether or 2362 01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:19,360 not we could be comfortable with that 2363 01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,840 but that decision has not been made 2364 01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:23,280 i 2365 01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:34,080 you'll hear the spacex guys talk about 2366 01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:36,000 they're just about done you hear that 2367 01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:38,719 from elon a lot and and it's one thing 2368 01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:40,159 to be done with hardware it's another 2369 01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:42,080 thing to be done with your software and 2370 01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:43,760 they've handed all the data to nasa so 2371 01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:45,360 we can do the verifications we have to 2372 01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:47,120 do 2373 01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:49,120 this is the the 2374 01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:52,480 this process this commercial process 2375 01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:53,840 means that 2376 01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:55,280 the whole launch vehicle the whole 2377 01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:57,679 launch process as long as they meet the 2378 01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:59,280 the faa rules 2379 01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,159 uh 2380 01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:02,719 they can go fly but from a safety 2381 01:24:06,149 --> 01:24:04,159 perspective 2382 01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:06,159 there's a sphere around iss that we 2383 01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:07,840 protect and once they come inside that 2384 01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:09,760 sphere they have to meet our 2385 01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:12,239 all of our verifications uh that that 2386 01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:15,199 are for safety safety functions um you 2387 01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,480 know to some degree you can give up 2388 01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:18,080 mission success and we've let them take 2389 01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,199 that risk 2390 01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:21,360 but we we don't allow them to take the 2391 01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:22,880 the risk of 2392 01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:25,199 a vehicle or crew safety so 2393 01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:27,199 uh inside that sphere we have to know 2394 01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:28,639 the systems operate there's a quite a 2395 01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:30,320 bit of day they have to pass to us and 2396 01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:31,520 there's quite a bit of work we do with 2397 01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:33,679 that data to finish our analysis to 2398 01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:35,920 complete the verifications and i really 2399 01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:37,920 think all that's going to take us to the 2400 01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,239 to the close to the end of this year to 2401 01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:42,239 get that all done 2402 01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:44,159 and so you know that's the challenge can 2403 01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:45,600 they get the data to us soon enough can 2404 01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:47,040 we get our work done we'll do it as 2405 01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:50,719 quick as we can and fly is uh as quick 2406 01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:52,880 as we can safely apply 2407 01:24:56,709 --> 01:24:55,280 um so the decision's coming pretty soon 2408 01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:56,719 but it hadn't been made yet relative to 2409 01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:58,960 combining planes 2410 01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:00,400 okay that's all the time we have for 2411 01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:02,639 this briefing but stay tuned shortly 2412 01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:04,000 you'll hear from the two flight 2413 01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:06,239 directors that will lead the mission of 2414 01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:07,760 atlantis to the international space 2415 01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:10,320 station quatsi alabarujo and chris 2416 01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:12,800 edelen will talk to you in detail about 2417 01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:14,560 the mission details 2418 01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:16,480 of atlantis voyage so stay tuned for 2419 01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:18,239 that thank you very much gentlemen and